Witchfrost

And thanks to you, as well. That was definitely a badge you have to fight for. I don't think I even want to hear someone suggest the KIF for at least a week.

First off, I didn't know we were fighting, until this thread. I didn't (until this thread) dislike you; you aren't on when I'm on and I don't read the forums, so you were a total non-entity to me. In fact, aside from one thread where we exchanged a couple posts, I can't even remember interacting with you that much. If you're holding a grudge over that, I'm laughing.

Wow, thanks for the total non-apology for attacking me for saying your events looked cool and I would have liked to participate if I had known about them. I totally non-accept. I'll go out on a limb and say that I don't even want to see this thread derailed any further for people who want to legitimately talk about your events, so if you want to "hug it out," send me a PM or a tell. I won't be back to the thread after this one (and probably not the forums as a whole for a long while), so assume I won't see any response here.

Look, if I'm running a TF and you want in, I'm not going to turn you down, or actively sabotage anything we happen to get invited to together. You're a decent enough player that I think you'd be an asset. But I offered my help and got dogpiled, so I won't be offering it again.

As I said before, if you want to work it out, PM me. You jumped on me, for offering criticism you asked for, while paying you a compliment that I didn't have to even do. I'm done with it.

Which is all I was trying to say in my original point. Hugs to Layla, or whatever it is that non-crotchety people do when someone gets it right.


Will do, because Spinedancer, my 4-D Corruptor would be awesome to have (4-D, you ask? Dark/Dark/Ghost Widow/Void - about as dark as you can get).

I don't know why I'm even bothering to come back to this thread, but it appears that either I was unclear in my original post, or I need to clarify. I am not "frustrated" at missing out, Hyper, I heard about a couple of events I thought were cool after the fact, and as I stated in my very first post, from the limited amount I did see on the forums and asked about, I was under the mistaken impression that this was an all-day RP event. I was willing to volunteer my time at the next one, assuming that a better way could be found to reach players who find out about game stuff in a non-traditional manner. That's all.

I didn't even say, though those words have been put in my mouth, that the methods he used were bad. I believe they were very efficient in getting the word out, to most folks. But I am not most folks, and I was trying to find a way to get more involved, and get people like me involved. Instead, I was attacked by the mob like I kicked someone's puppy, a fact I will certainly remember the next time a call is made for community involvement.

For a couple of you that are asking, "how can you not check the forums/twitter/facebook/whatever," let me explain.
1. When I am in my working season, I don't even get to log in-game but once every two or three weeks most of the time. The people I run with that many of you trust (Sooner, T, Kid) will verify that. So when I can log on, I log on to play, not to read the forums. If I have two hours after two weeks away, I play for two hours, not play for 90 mins and forum surf the other 30. I pay to play, not read the forums.
2. I cannot access the forums from work. So it's not like I can surf the forums at work and
catch up during the day - I'm locked out. The same goes for FB. I miss things.
3. When I can play, it's usually (not always, but usually) after 9pm Central time until about midnight. I don't want to single her out, but Layla is a perfect example when she mentioned that she talked about it all the time. But I don't ever remember Layla even being on at 10pm on a Weds. The last time I ran with her was a lunchtime task force at like 11am one stray day that I was off (it was a Croatoa TF).

To be perfectly honest, this thread trainwrecked in a way that, to me, is unintentionally hilarious. Grey (who, let me stop here, and I hope he reads this, is a champ in this thread, and the next time I see him I'll tell him so) posted about some confusion, I pop in to agree that it was confusing, say that stuff looked like fun and ask how players like me could be more involved, and the next thing I know some of you are grabbing the torches and pitchforks - "He's not on Twitter? Burn him!" My first post was polite and respectful; I even admitted in a later post that some of the blame was on me (I believe - Oh look, there it is - that I said not checking the MoTD's regularly was my fault).

So, here's what this whole thing looks like from my end:
Witch: Hey, Grey's right, there was some confusion, but I'd like to be involved next time, how can you get people like me better informed?
Stale: What's your problem, I have twitter and a calendar, would you like me to tattoo it on your forehead?
Witch: That's not what I meant, but if you want to get nasty we can go there.
(Voices of Reason) - Let's do it this way.
Witch: You all make good points. That might work.
(Dogpile): OMGWTFBBQ, you don't read the forums? All the work he did! The calendar! The Horror!
Witch: This is community? It's no wonder I don't check the forums.

You know what? I'm glad your event was a success. I'm glad that the folks who participated had a great time. I was going to give a nasty, vicious response back to your post, because you managed to turn, "Hey, I'm not a forum goer and play late, can you help me get informed better next time because I'd like to help, even" into some sort of hostile response, but I changed my mind. It's awesome that you think people live on the forums and exist just to click the link in your sig, but they don't. So, to answer your question, "Might you suggest I try harder?" My answer is, "How about, no." When you wonder in a few months why people aren't hugging and snuggling and getting along with you and start another "Let's Hug It Out, Protector" thread, maybe someone will link back to this one and show you where someone trying to be more involved was driven away by your attitude. Maybe Grey, Layla, and Sooner can explain it to you, because they were at least friendly and helpful in this thread.

You did, but left out irritable and snide.

I don't think you and I are on often at the same times, Layla. I'm a late nighter, and those rare times I do see you it's during the day (and I almost never play during the daytime, or, if I do, it's for a short burst). But I like Sooner's idea. And, to reiterate and not hurt anyone's feelings, I would have loved to have participated in the Bio CC - but I didn't know it was coming until after it was over. The question becomes, to get to someone like myself, who is clique-ish and a midnight gamer, what can be done differently to get that guy's attention better?

I see no problem with any of this.

I'm telling you I (and at least one or two others I've talked to in-game, but if they want to pop in here it's on them) would have participated had I known more about it. You want more participation, better events, etc., it would be nice had you stopped right with, "Thanks for the feedback, we'll work it out." Instead, you got defensive, and are quoting reasons back at me that I addressed in my post. Let's break it down:

If you're in a bunch of channels, you don't always see specific MoTD's. And most of the channels I'm in, I can assure you, did not have a list of the events in the MoTD. Some of them aren't even Protector channels. When I log on, a dozen MoTD's shoot by; I don't always look. This one's totally on me if you put a list of events in a MoTD I didn't look at and explained that it wasn't RP specific. But I don't think that's all of it.

It's only because I responded to this thread that I'm even checking back to see responses. I'm lucky if I check the forums once every three months. You could have started advertising this thing in February and in all likelihood I still might not have known. It's a miracle I even saw the first thread about it. The last time I came to the forums was when someone said "Hey Frosty, have you seen this thread yet?" and linked it (something about scrappers). That was when I initially saw the Day Of stuff, and got the wrong impression about what the event consisted of.

Calendar? Twitter? Those would be AWESOME if, you know, I looked at the calendar (what calendar?) or was on Twitter. Getting a message out through social media only works if your target audience is on your media of choice.

You're missing the point with these last two, and that's what I was trying to address in my initial post, fercryinoutloud. If people don't know it's coming, or (like myself) people think it's going to be something it isn't (I believe I said I thought it was going to be RP stuff), they might avoid it (which is what I did; I was apparently on after the PERC event on Friday and didn't get on Sat until late - which I would have changed had I known what was up). Before and during don't help if people aren't on to see it.


I already said I don't look at the forums or check the MoTD, but you know what I do look at? Chatter on teams. Chatter on channels. Chatter in zones. Chatter after a TF. PM's from people I know. I'm on about 3-4 hours every night during the summer, and cannot remember a single conversation, tell, or broadcast about your events. Not one. Not a single person saying, "there's going to be a great CC this weekend, involving dressing as a badge", not a single person asking, "Witch, you've been around a while, I'm surprised you havent registered for the [x]". I was on a PuG Lam last week that took almost 45 mins to just get going, with people I know were at a couple of the events. Not one player while we were standing there mentioned anything about them. Why not? It was a week prior.

I came into this thread with the best intentions, to tell you that if you did another one of these, I'd be interested (and I have the inf and experience to be a valuable contributor), but I need a way to know about it that works a little better for me. Your "but let me get defensive and show all the ways I tried" just adds negativity to what I was trying to say, which makes my response go negative, and that's not getting us anywhere.

I know, I know, it surprises me too, but I am in full agreement with Grey on this one. I don't check the forums very often, so when I first heard about the events, I thought they were roleplay-themed according to a storyline because of the way it was initially framed, and when I asked around early on after seeing the thread, so did several others. I like to RP on occasion, but not enough that I'd do it all day, and since I don't check the forums but rarely (only checking today to see if anyone was talking about last night's successful Keyes), I didn't know about many of the events (And sorry, Iron, but Spiny totally would have won that CC!). After the fact, some of the stuff sounded like great fun, but after the fact is too late. If you ever do it again, find a way to get the message out to players like myself who aren't always tuned in to the normal channels, but get their info second or sometimes third hand (which for me usually goes something like, "Hey, Sooner or T, anything new I need to know about?").

If you mean me, quote me. Don't use the generic 'you.' That's part of the problem, right there. A thread starts about needing a love-in when nobody knows who's mad at who or about what. Half of this would be solved if the people who think other people have problems would just straight up ask them and be done with it. Instead we get, "Maybe some people should come in here and air it out." I've never had a problem with you, Stale, let's keep it that way.

I believe I'm exchanging my opinion that this is pointless. Glad to see you're only accepting opinions you agree with.

Which was pretty much my opinion, but hey, not reading carefully, it happens.

Since I still believe you were calling me out, I don't believe I said I had final say about anything, nor did I tell anyone to keep silent. However, you seem to be doing a BANGUP job of telling me what I can and can't say in this thread, aren't you?

Dire? Seriously? In an MMO? And you're telling people to grow up?

We'd still be good if it had only happened once. After five, six times? We're done. I tried to get Ice to call in some sort of military action, but apparently there are rules against bombing Oklahoma. Who knew?

Counting's for suckers. I bet there aren't even 9 of you. I have less posts than months as of this one, so I'm still good.

PS - Is there a strike command for these forums? A line through?

I didn't say I didn't care, I said it was [strike]silly[/strike] [strike]functionally retarded[/strike] pointless. I care in an, "Aw geez, not this crap again" way. And caring is sharing, or so I'm told by the television. Or something. I don't know.

That about sums it up right there.

Again, some of us aren't offended, we're .... puzzled. We know what happened, so why fuss and be overly dramatic? Do you still like everyone you met in the last seven years? I know I don't. In real life, you smile and nod at those folks, be polite but distant, and go on your merry way. Why do we need to greet each other with Kleenex and work it out?

Threads like this do nothing for anyone's reputation with me. If I want to listen to whiny high-school girls ***** about who does and does not like them, I'll rent "Mean Girls" from Netflix.

In-game, you said you like NASCAR. That's enough of a measure right there.

How many times do I have to apologize for the ****** comment? I said I was sorry; for Christ's sake, let me back on the RSF team.

Leave Elric out of this. You shouldn't have bombed his village.

"It matters to me, damn it!"

As Ari would say, that's because you have to hug it out, ******.


As long as it isn't Sooner. I don't like playing with her. She's mean to the locals, apparently.