Confront


ClawsandEffect

 

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Would you be opposed to this power becoming an aoe taunt, basically becoming a copy of the Brute versions?

The lack of taunt is one reason why I have stayed away from scrappers. I've tried provoke, and while it does "work"...it comes with an unfortunate accuracy check...not to mention the very short duration.

Scrapper attacks lack any taunt component when compared to Brutes and Tankers...so I don't see this as stepping on their toes.

Also...if you take Confront as it is now and use it...then I don't see the harm in allowing it to taunt more enemies.

It seems like a win/win situation for a power that gets skipped over "most of the time".


 

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I certainly wouldn't mind.

I bet you're going to see people arguing they do precise taunting and aggroing more than one enemy would wreck their masterfully crafted playstyle they spent years perfecting in the tibetan mountains or somesuch.


 

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How is making scrappers more similar to brutes inherently a win? "I don't see the harm in this change" isn't just way less than is required to convince the devs to spend their time doing something, it isn't a reason to do something at all.

I'm not going to say that I couldn't deal with aoe confront, but why should I have to? I like it how it is. Is that any less valid than your desire for it to be aoe?

And since you went there, Nihilii, if it were aoe then its utility in picking groups apart, say extracting an AV from a spawn on a TF, would be severely impaired.


 

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If Confront were AoE, things like pulling the healing Nictus and ONLY the healing Nictus in ITFs would be impossible. (yes, I know it was altered, but it was a viable strategy before that happened)

I've also used it to pull AVs in the STF, and to pull Requiem and Romulus down from the platform in the 3rd mission of the ITF, without agroing the enemies right next to them.

A single target taunt power has a usefulness that cannot be replicated by an AoE taunt. The fact that very few people take advantage of that usefulness is not especially relevant here.


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I'm not going to say that I couldn't deal with aoe confront, but why should I have to? I like it how it is. Is that any less valid than your desire for it to be aoe?
This isn't something I'm forcing onto you...not sure why you responded as if I was.

I posted this here just to get other peoples opinions on the topic to see if others agreed with my stance on said topic or not.


 

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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect View Post
If Confront were AoE, things like pulling the healing Nictus and ONLY the healing Nictus in ITFs would be impossible. (yes, I know it was altered, but it was a viable strategy before that happened)

I've also used it to pull AVs in the STF, and to pull Requiem and Romulus down from the platform in the 3rd mission of the ITF, without agroing the enemies right next to them.

A single target taunt power has a usefulness that cannot be replicated by an AoE taunt. The fact that very few people take advantage of that usefulness is not especially relevant here.
Good points for sure.

I can see a ranged attack doing the same type of pulling in the ITF situation you mentioned...but the fact that most scrappers lack any ranged attack makes that irrelevant.

I want to counter your single target taunt usefulness with the fact that you can get Challenge if you only wanted it for situations like that...but the same argument can be made for Provoke against players like me who want a aoe taunt. Either way...one player would have to use up a power pool to get what they want.

I won't lie...I always just assumed that the "few" people who did take Confront took it because it was a taunt in their primary. I figured it was a "better than no taunt at all" situation. However, if it has it's uses for people who take it...then it is what it is.


 

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Sorry, but people suggest changes, or nerfs in my view, to confront fairly often in the AT&P General section. I've yet to hear anyone suggest allowing those who actually do take and enjoy confront as it works currently to opt out of the new version!

I will say this, though: if you've been craving an autohit aoe taunt effect on an auraless scrapper, melee hybrid is right up your alley.