rad on lord recluse


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alright so recently i was blamed for someone death on a stf when i had radiation infected lr at the beginning of the assault on the towers. We were running all troller stf, with two illusions to take turns tanking lr. I put RI on lr at the beginning to test some number debuffs on him then took it off and went and joined the rest of the team attacking the red tower.15-20 seconds later one of the ill's dies and blames me for rad'ing him causing her death.

is there ANY truth behind the superstition that rad'ing him "pisses him off," making it harder to hold is aggro? The only truth i can see behind this is that a debuff aura does induce quite a bit of aggro, but wouldnt that aggro fall onto the person whose debuffing?

also, even if it does "piss him off," does this mystery affect last 15-20 seconds?


 

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You're right and she was wrong. The aggro generated by any power goes to the caster, not to some random person. The most likely scenario is that illusion controller was tanking with Phantom Army, then it vanished and the aggro went to her. RI had nothing to do with her death. If anything, it only helped as RI prevents LR from using his bane summon power.


 

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well im not sure what you mean by it making him unable to summon bane power? if im right your talking about how he summons his oodles of pets when he gets to like 10% health, which isnt the situation i was referring to. But either way this is what she claimed

my radiation infection on lr pissed him off so much that he ignored her phantom army and gunned for her instead.


 

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I'm not talking about the low health pet nuke, but the normal summon he uses as soon as he is aggroed. This summon is interruptible and prevented by having a constant effect on him ; RI being a toggle debuff works for that purpose.

That's besides the point. The important thing is it is completely impossible for your RI to cause LR to ignore her PA and gun for her. The game simply doesn't work like that.


 

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there is a superstition that debuffing and/or attacking while the towers are still up "sends him into berserk mode that makes even the strongest tanks lose his aggro and/or die."


 

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First, the debuff on LR had nothing at all to do with the Ill dropping... the ideal way to tank LR with Illusion is to have 2 'trollers alternate PA by dropping around 30 seconds apart. If you have one Ill then when PA despawn, even on a perma-PA troller they'll despawn for a second when new are cast, LR will transfer aggro to the 'troller.

Second, for the last couple of issues LR's AI has changed and he no longer seems to summon his Banes until the 10% pet nuke. Unfortunately he DOES now use his Channelgun end drain attack in melee. I just got off of an STF and I had to eat about 6-7 blues to manage that end drain tanking him.

Also, I can absolutely guarentee that

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there is a superstition that debuffing and/or attacking while the towers are still up "sends him into berserk mode that makes even the strongest tanks lose his aggro and/or die."
is a bunch of bunk; I've never had any problem holding his aggro. Now, a tanker will HAVE to use Taunt to keep aggro as all auras, even autohit ones, have a hit check against AV's and with the yellow tower up you 'ain't hitting him.


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oh no we did have two ills lol, the reason she died was most likely cause she got caught in cone


 

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Because the yellow tower caps Recluse's defense and phases him intermittently, PA cannot hit him, and thus cannot taunt him. They rely on their high threat rating to hold aggro. This is probably why you were asked not to put any debuffs on him.


 

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well one, just because he is phased doesnt mean the taunt from the pets hitting him before he was phased vanishes, it still affects him even after he's phased, they just cant put NEW taunts on him
2. If he's phased, my debuffs wont taunt him, because he is phased
3. even if they DID taunt him, that aggro would go to me


 

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3. even if they DID taunt him, that aggro would go to me
That is not necessarily true. Obviously you toggle does not have a taunt effect, but it does change the way the hate list is ordered. While in the case you describe, I do not think you caused an issue, I would not be so sure that the aggro mechanics are as simple as you might think.


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Sounds like she got pissed 'cuz of what she did and needed someone to blame.Don't sweat it, your in the right and she worked alil' closer to getting her debt badges.