Dual Blades or Katana?


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It's exactly like the Title suggests. Which of those two is better, both on their own and when teamed up with regeneration.


 

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Originally Posted by ecneicS View Post
It's exactly like the Title suggests. Which of those two is better, both on their own and when teamed up with regeneration.
If /regen is the secondary, then Kat is the better primary due to having DA.


 

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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp View Post
If /regen is the secondary, then Kat is the better primary due to having DA.
This. Not to say that Dual Blades is a bad primary, but there are better combinations with Regeneration, and Katana is the best in my opinion. Not sure what you mean by "on their own", since you have to choose a secondary, and which secondary you choose can affect which is better. Likewise, what you're looking to accomplish can affect which is better. Basically, all the primaries and secondaries are well balanced. Some combinations are a little better than others, and can be significantly better than others depending on your goals, but they're all good.


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If /regen is the secondary, then Kat is the better primary due to having DA.
I thought so, but I wanted a second opinion. They seem to have similar overall speed, but Katana's seem to do more damage, but I'm a newbie, so I might have been misreading things.

In other news, it is surprisingly simple to recreate Deadpool in the Character Creation System.(Thoughts of Dual Blades, Katana's and Regeneration ended up reminding me of him.)


 

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This. Not to say that Dual Blades is a bad primary, but there are better combinations with Regeneration, and Katana is the best in my opinion. Not sure what you mean by "on their own", since you have to choose a secondary, and which secondary you choose can affect which is better. Likewise, what you're looking to accomplish can affect which is better. Basically, all the primaries and secondaries are well balanced. Some combinations are a little better than others, and can be significantly better than others depending on your goals, but they're all good.
I was referring to overall, as in which one suits best with more secondaries or if you werent using secondaries for some bizarre reason(a self-imposed challenge?)


 

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I thought so, but I wanted a second opinion. They seem to have similar overall speed, but Katana's seem to do more damage, but I'm a newbie, so I might have been misreading things.

In other news, it is surprisingly simple to recreate Deadpool in the Character Creation System.(Thoughts of Dual Blades, Katana's and Regeneration ended up reminding me of him.)
Well, if you want a Deadpool wannabe with DB, go /wp. It also has regen, but tosses in other things to be more jack-of-all trades.


 

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I was referring to overall, as in which one suits best with more secondaries or if you werent using secondaries for some bizarre reason(a self-imposed challenge?)
Again, due to DA, Kat will win out pretty much every time unless /sr is involved, but that's vastly from the point of view of which one is sturdier. DB, however, should be pumping out more AoE. I have a couple DBs and I do like them.


 

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DPS is actually pretty similar between the sets, with Dual Blades having better AoE, but worse burst damage. But if you build a Katana/Regen "right", your DPS will be lower than the equivalent Dual Blades build, as standard Katana/Regen builds trade a little bit of damage for a lot of survivability.


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Well, if you want a Deadpool wannabe with DB, go /wp. It also has regen, but tosses in other things to be more jack-of-all trades.
Nah, that was just my way to pass the time. I log in and try to recreate characters from many different movies, books, comics and anime as possible. Deadpool was just the latest(the fifteenth I think) that I recreated from scratch(in appearance at least) and the first successful one.


 

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I was referring to overall, as in which one suits best with more secondaries or if you werent using secondaries for some bizarre reason(a self-imposed challenge?)
Well, best survivability with the most secondaries would go to Katana. Best AoE with the most secondaries would go to Dual Blades. Best burst damage with the most secondaries would go to Katana. Again, without knowing what you want out of a toon, calling one best overall is difficult to impossible since the devs have spent six years trying to make them all balanced.


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DPS is actually pretty similar between the sets, with Dual Blades having better AoE, but worse burst damage. But if you build a Katana/Regen "right", your DPS will be lower than the equivalent Dual Blades build, as standard Katana/Regen builds trade a little bit of damage for a lot of survivability.

Which was also something I was looking at. Which one would keep me alive longer? I've already got a blaster character, I don't want to die that much in this one!


 

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Which was also something I was looking at. Which one would keep me alive longer? I've already got a blaster character, I don't want to die that much in this one!
Katana/Regen is significantly more survivable than Dual Blades/Regen. However, I should mention that /Regen is a poor choice if you don't want to die often. Regeneration is a school of hard knocks, and if you're pushing the envelope at all, you're going to face plant a lot until you master it. You MAY love it, as it can be very rewarding if you do everything right. But you may hate it as well, like when you make a little mistake, and suddenly find yourself eating dirt.


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However, I should mention that /Regen is a poor choice if you don't want to die often. Regeneration is a school of hard knocks, and if you're pushing the envelope at all, you're going to face plant a lot until you master it. You MAY love it, as it can be very rewarding if you do everything right. But you may hate it as well, like when you make a little mistake, and suddenly find yourself eating dirt.
I have to chime in on this one. I learned this lesson the hard way. I got to my mid 40's and had everything slotted up (my main is Claws/Regen btw), and got to thinking "Man, I'm freakin' immortal here!"

Then I ran into my first Malta mission, and that tune changed rapidly. /Regen is a set that can (and frequently will) go from "I'm unkillable" to "What the hell just happened?!" in a split second. And there's a bit of a learning curve while you figure out how to manage your clicks.

(Quick Hint: If you're taking lots of Psi damage and you're low on Health, Moment of Glory isn't going to help any)


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(Quick Hint: If you're taking lots of Psi damage and you're low on Health, Moment of Glory isn't going to help any)
Been there. Done that. "Why the hell did I die so quick? I used MoG....oh right." As bad as DE, or Rad attacks can be for an /sr, they feel like auto hit on a /regen. I did do 5 levels in my 30s without using any of the clicks and without a singe death. There were a couple of times I ran like a school girl to let my regen take over, but that's about it.