BS/WP or Kat/Elec


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Hi all,

Inspired by stories from varous scrapper vets I've decided to level up a resistance/regen based scrapper with a defence overlay ready for the release of the Incarnate system. I've got two viable alts one a BS/WP and the other Kat/Elec and I'm unsure of which to use - recent work demands mean that I need to focus on one.

In regards to what I'm after from the alt, I guess it's a consistant ride, so that no matter what the enemy type or numbers (within reason) I'll have a good chance of coming through. To highlight this I don't for example like the fact that my Ice Tank can complete mishes at +4/x8 against Council then faceplant against Carnies within seconds.

For concept reasons both will use the Epic Body Mastery, so all damage will be S/L.

Currently I'm swinging towards Kat/Elec for the following reasons:

Willpower's regen is based on number of mobs so against hard single targets it will be less effective.
Elec has a damage aura which is not S/L damage
Elec has additional recharge so + damage
Elec has resists to slow and -recharge
Elec's heal is as effective against a single target as it against many

Am I selling WP short and are there factors that I'm failing to consider?
Which would be best end game?

Basically I'm at a cross roads and would appreciate any help to make sure that I take the right path.

Thanks


L50s: Tanks: Cryofission - Ice/EM - Dr Celsius - Fire/Ice - Saint George - SD/SS | Controllers: Psichosis - Ill/Kin - Major Chaos - Ill/Stm | Scrappers - Neutron Crusader - DM/SR

Currently Levelling: Angelic Blade - BS/WP Scrapper | Seeds of Destruction - Plant/Kin Controller

 

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While I do think /WP is a great secondary, the problem with it is that you have a very static level of survivability, and once you see it going south there is nothing (Aside from insps) that you can do to prevent that.

/Elec has a self heal, which I think when combined with Katana will make it 'feel' slightly better, since when things start going south you can pop the heal and feel like you have done somthing

Unless of course you can fit aid self in to the build, I know it is possible to softcap a katana/wp and take aid self, so I would assume BS/WP would be the same, then you should hardly ever die against anything at all.


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While I do think /WP is a great secondary, the problem with it is that you have a very static level of survivability, and once you see it going south there is nothing (Aside from insps) that you can do to prevent that.
I'm not sure what you mean by a static level of survivability on Willpower. The regeneration rate scales up in groups, and it has quite a bit of defense and resistance on top of all that regeneration, particularly when combined with Broad Sword and/or IOs. Willpower doesn't have a heal because Willpower doesn't need a heal. With his Katana/Willpower (same difference), Iggy Kamakaze took out a Pylon while standing in a double Rikti War Zone Challenge spawn, then finished off the spawn. He also did a master of ITF solo with no temps, no inspirations and no deaths. Granted, it WAS Iggy, who can seemingly do anything with anything, but I still wouldn't accuse a well-built Broad Sword/Willpower of not having enough survivability.

The down side of Electricity is that it has no defense, and defense is king. Katana helps GREATLY in that regard, but you're probably not going to end up with a soft-capped build except to melee and lethal. That's plenty for a lot of situations, but it will have glaring holes against ranged and AoE anything but lethal and MAYBE energy (but even 75% resistance isn't GREAT mitigation, merely good). It will also have a big defense debuff hole. So I don't think it's a "no matter what the enemy type or numbers" combination. It seems to have definite strengths and weaknesses.

Now, I just started a Katana/Electric myself, and it's a combination I've wanted to play for a long time. So I'm not suggesting that it sucks. I think it's quite good, and should be a lot of fun. I just doubt that it will be AS good as Broad Sword/Willpower for the stated goals.

Mind you, I know almost nothing about the new incarnate system, and how it will affect which builds are good and which are not.


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Thanks for the feedback guys.

I've decided to go with the BS/WP as it's been proven to work; Kat/Elec seems relatively untested in comparison.

In regards to WP I hadn't noticed the DDR - value seems too low to be of much use though.


L50s: Tanks: Cryofission - Ice/EM - Dr Celsius - Fire/Ice - Saint George - SD/SS | Controllers: Psichosis - Ill/Kin - Major Chaos - Ill/Stm | Scrappers - Neutron Crusader - DM/SR

Currently Levelling: Angelic Blade - BS/WP Scrapper | Seeds of Destruction - Plant/Kin Controller

 

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In regards to WP I hadn't noticed the DDR - value seems too low to be of much use though.
Yeah, the DDR isn't great. But Parry also lets you stack up some extra melee and lethal defense when you're in trouble. Combine that with some DDR, and it should be enough if you're on top of it (i.e., monitor your base defense and respond immediately if it goes red).


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