Why you dont slot IO sets in your attacks ? With 5-6 slots you can have much better stats in the slotted attacks, as well as handy bonuses with a set, than just using IOs.
For example let's say 5 Crushing Impacts (relatively good performance/cost melee set) in Haymaker can give : 69% acc, 98% dam, 42% end, 69% recharge. And it will give you also more life, global accuracy and recharge.
It's so much better than just the acc and dam you get from 5 standard IOs.
And there are alot of possible choices involved here.
Otherwise it's hard to review your build as a real IO-set build (and I did not check it further), as it seems it's just half way done.
Good luck 
I do not understand what you mean by softcapped on resistance. Brutes cap on Resistance is 90%. My SS/Elec has more S/L than this with out that Unique.
Pinnacle
Arch light L50 INV/SS
Psiberia L50 Kin/Psi
Screaming Mentallica L50 Sonic/MM
Infinity
Arc Voltinator L50 SS/Elec
Mind Fire Kinesis L50 Fire/Kin
Flaming Screamer L50 Fire/Sonic
Does anyone even read or just post whatever they want? Lol, I said I put 5 slots in them for FUTURE sets.
Also, I said that my res was SOFT CAPPED not hard capped. I was under the impression that 45% was soft capped? Unless I am wrong? I was looking for suggestions or ideas for my build to make it better overall.
"I have always been a fan of science fiction. It all started when my parents forced me to go to church when I was a child."
Defense soft cap is 45% now I understand your confusion. Resistance and defense are different animals here.
I can totally see you having around 62% S/L resistance. As you mentioned you will fill out the set IO's later I would recommend a sixth slot in KO Blow.
Because Electric is mostly about resistance I would get the most out of Tough that I could. While I also have the Steadfast and Aegis I have them in Grounded and Power Surge (default slot).
This is the only electric of many I have over L40 that took Power surge.
What server are you on?
Pinnacle
Arch light L50 INV/SS
Psiberia L50 Kin/Psi
Screaming Mentallica L50 Sonic/MM
Infinity
Arc Voltinator L50 SS/Elec
Mind Fire Kinesis L50 Fire/Kin
Flaming Screamer L50 Fire/Sonic
Ah, yes tyvm for your comments. I knew defense soft capped at 45%, but resistance does not? I looked on paragon wiki for resistance soft cap, but all I found was defense. I am not 100% sure it even has a soft cap?, I just assumed since defense did that resistance would also, otherwise it would not seem very fair? ... Unless everyone is just supposed to get as much defense as possible either way. I hope getting resistance to 45 actually means something, otherwise I will be very annoyed 
Also, I don't think I had much left to pick and can most likely pick power surge up as my last power. I was thinking either that or assault just for some extra damage.
PS: I am on virtue
"I have always been a fan of science fiction. It all started when my parents forced me to go to church when I was a child."
getting resistance to 45% is trivially simple. If you DON'T have at least 45% resistance, you have done something really wrong, unless you are running with a defense based secondary.
The hardcap for resistance is 90%. This means that you will only take 10% of the damage that hits you if you have reached this cap. There is no softcap. More resistance is beneficial until you hit 90%.
The softcap for defense is 45%. The reason for this is due to the mechanics of making a mob miss. Mobs have a base chance to hit you of 50%. As you increase your defense, you increase this chance of making them miss. Mobs will ALWAYS have a 5% chance to hit you, no matter what you do. So, it means that raising your defense to 45% minimizes the mobs ability to hit you. The reason it is called a softcap is that defense can be raised much higher than 45%, but it isn't beneficial to do so except in situations where you face defense debuffs, or mobs that get to-hit buffs. The other reason people don't attempt the defense hardcap is that it is too high to hit it with anything resembling a reasonable build. So, in most situations, 45% defense is enough to minimize the number of times the mobs hit you. Dechs Kaison spells this out much more thoroughly in his post on why reaching the softcap is important.
As was said before, the +3 resistance IO in a resistance based secondary has a minimal effect, and isn't something that should be built around.
I would highly suggest reading some of the brute guides, and dechs kaisons guide to softcapping defense, which goes into great detail as to why it is a good idea to hit 45% defense.
As for anyone else reading this thread, and I don't want to sound rude, but unless this guy has educated himself heavily in the last few days as to game mechanics, I wouldn't bother posting a serious IO build for him to look at. I tweaked an ugly build he had posted in a /DA post the other day. It was a reasonable IO build, 35% defense, kept in OG to make up the difference in mitigation, and so forth. Didn't go bonkers with it, no purples. The guy basically said that all those high end builds are garbage and most people that post them are just jumping on the bandwagon because they saw someone else do it and want to look cool. Don't waste your time.
Dark Armor is like that kid you knew in school that didn't know when to shut up, and no matter how bad he got beaten down, he got right back up again and kept on talking.
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getting resistance to 45% is trivially simple. If you DON'T have at least 45% resistance, you have done something really wrong, unless you are running with a defense based secondary.
The hardcap for resistance is 90%. This means that you will only take 10% of the damage that hits you if you have reached this cap. There is no softcap. More resistance is beneficial until you hit 90%. The softcap for defense is 45%. The reason for this is due to the mechanics of making a mob miss. Mobs have a base chance to hit you of 50%. As you increase your defense, you increase this chance of making them miss. Mobs will ALWAYS have a 5% chance to hit you, no matter what you do. So, it means that raising your defense to 45% minimizes the mobs ability to hit you. The reason it is called a softcap is that defense can be raised much higher than 45%, but it isn't beneficial to do so except in situations where you face defense debuffs, or mobs that get to-hit buffs. The other reason people don't attempt the defense hardcap is that it is too high to hit it with anything resembling a reasonable build. So, in most situations, 45% defense is enough to minimize the number of times the mobs hit you. Dechs Kaison spells this out much more thoroughly in his post on why reaching the softcap is important. As was said before, the +3 resistance IO in a resistance based secondary has a minimal effect, and isn't something that should be built around. I would highly suggest reading some of the brute guides, and dechs kaisons guide to softcapping defense, which goes into great detail as to why it is a good idea to hit 45% defense. As for anyone else reading this thread, and I don't want to sound rude, but unless this guy has educated himself heavily in the last few days as to game mechanics, I wouldn't bother posting a serious IO build for him to look at. I tweaked an ugly build he had posted in a /DA post the other day. It was a reasonable IO build, 35% defense, kept in OG to make up the difference in mitigation, and so forth. Didn't go bonkers with it, no purples. The guy basically said that all those high end builds are garbage and most people that post them are just jumping on the bandwagon because they saw someone else do it and want to look cool. Don't waste your time. |
WOW, could you lie and miss-quote me anymore than you just did?
Here is the link to the post he is talking about.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...08#post2912208
Notice that I am NOT even the OP. I never asked for his help, I never said I was not survivable unless my accuracy was lowered by CoT which only had to do with most my my powers having to-hit checks. The build I posted was my "leveling" build which are normally different than level 50 builds and he turns it into an AV soloing build or something. I was just trying to help the OP with some ideas so I posted my build. He just starts telling me how I should change my leveling build...
Where exactly did I say that all these top end builds are garbage??? I said IMO tough is useless on a /DA "IMO" IN MY OPINION!!!
PS: Thank you for the useful info you did give though
"getting resistance to 45% is trivially simple. If you DON'T have at least 45% resistance, you have done something really wrong, unless you are running with a defense based secondary.
The hardcap for resistance is 90%. This means that you will only take 10% of the damage that hits you if you have reached this cap. There is no soft cap. More resistance is beneficial until you hit 90%."
THAT was appreciated .... tyvm!
"I have always been a fan of science fiction. It all started when my parents forced me to go to church when I was a child."
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talk about mis-quoting. In the response I made to your original post in that thread WAS MY OPINION on how you could improve said build. And to make a big stink about it being a leveling build when you are level at 35 is laughable. By then you have pretty much hit the core of your build, all that is left is the t9 of your secondary, and the PPPs. In fact, usually when I am leveling a toon, I have a solid idea of my final build by the time I reach 35, and respec into it as it is going to be more efficient than what i was using while leveling. |
Originally Posted by Jharber
WOW, could you lie and miss-quote me anymore than you just did?
Here is the link to the post he is talking about. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...08#post2912208 Notice that I am NOT even the OP. I never asked for his help, I never said I was not survivable unless my accuracy was lowered by CoT which only had to do with most my my powers having to-hit checks. The build I posted was my "leveling" build which are normally different than level 50 builds and he turns it into an AV soloing build or something. I was just trying to help the OP with some ideas so I posted my build. He just starts telling me how I should change my leveling build... Where exactly did I say that all these top end builds are garbage??? I said IMO tough is useless on a /DA "IMO" IN MY OPINION!!! |
When you state that it is your opinion, the problem is your opinion is misinformed, and that hard facts make them just plain wrong. The fact that you don't understand all of the mechanics of the class, much less the set, makes your opinions that much more likely to be completely invalid.
That said, what may have been working for you may work better if you take into account other peoples knowledge and experience. Instead, you decided to lash out childishly with a "well I do it this way, and i don't have any problems, so you're wrong" type attitude. Compounding that attitude is the fact that you haven't even maxed it out in level, much less maxed it out in potential. Like your opinion about tough, while tough is hardly necessary in any build, it is far from useless. 20% reduction in incoming s/l damage is a nice thing, and augments the already decent resistance you have with DA. If you were already hardcapped, or within say 5% of it, on resistance, it would then be useless. But, wait, it still wouldn't, and for one reason, you would still need it for weave, and weave is FAR from useless.
Instead of stating "well, I like it that way", you could have queried as to why certain changes may or may not have been better, especially when you don't fully understand the mechanics. For instance, when I suggested that you reslot Siphon Life. Siphon Life is best slotted for damage. That isn't opinion, that is a fact. It really shouldn't even be considered a heal. Healing is more of a secondary effect of the power now. Or with CoF, which, yes, keeps all the minions feared, and prevents them from doing damage to you. Every time you damage them, it temporarily breaks the fear, allowing them to attack you one time before going back into the fear state. Does this reduce incoming damage, yes, it does. With Death Shroud on, every time DS damages them, they take a swing at you. On top of that, CoF is only going to reliably fear minions, which leaves Lt.s and Bosses free to keep attacking you. However, building up your defense with CoD, CJ, and Weave, plus IO set bonuses, which can be built up while leveling, is better than CoF. Why? Because even if they are swinging at you, by increasing your defense through this manner, you are making ALL mobs less likely to hit you, including Lt.s and Bosses. Once you hit softcapped Def, which can be done around level 35, IIRC, then CoF is really not as necessary, especially since it uses a ton of endurance. Oppresive Gloom is better than CoF anyway, if you really want to take a soft control aura. It disorients the mobs at the cost of health instead of end. This may sound bad, but Health from the fitness pool regens the cost of OG fast enough that it essentially costs nothing to run it. Plus the disorient effect is better than the fear effect, as when you hit them, they won't hit you back.
Also, when you state that something is useless in a build, especially when just about all of the min/max builds include it, then essentially call most people bandwagoners that follow the min/max builds, who only do said builds to look cool, you are essentially calling them garbage. It's called paraphrasing. Did you specifically say "those builds are garbage". no, you said that one person does amazing things with the build and everyone else just mindlessly follows. The reality is, one person did come up with an amazing build, then a ton of other people tried out what that person did, and found that it really did work better. Then they pared down the build to what was the most important part of the build, and started tailoring those builds to their own needs. It's like buying a suit. You go to the store pick out the suit, then get measured and the suit is adjusted to fit you. If you actually look at the "super builds" that people are posting, many of them have similar structures, but are very different.
Dark Armor is like that kid you knew in school that didn't know when to shut up, and no matter how bad he got beaten down, he got right back up again and kept on talking.
Deth, I am sure nobody cares. I know I don't. I would just stop posting trying to "Win".
"I have always been a fan of science fiction. It all started when my parents forced me to go to church when I was a child."
What exactly am I trying to "win"?
You posted asking for build advice and I responded. You didn't like my response, or more accurately my warning to others about how you had taken advice in the past.
I then tried to clarify my position and respond to the statements made by you.
That's all.
Obviously you do care, or you wouldn't have taken the time to respond to my statements the way you did in the first place.
If you make a statement, don't get mad if someone attempts to clarify or give you more information, especially when it is apparent that you are less knowledgeable. Instead, ask questions and increase your knowledge base. If you ask a question, don't get mad when you don't like the answer. You can't blame someone warning people not to waste their time when someone doesn't appear to be receptive to anything anyone else has to say.
Dark Armor is like that kid you knew in school that didn't know when to shut up, and no matter how bad he got beaten down, he got right back up again and kept on talking.
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What exactly am I trying to "win"?
You posted asking for build advice and I responded. You didn't like my response, or more accurately my warning to others about how you had taken advice in the past. I then tried to clarify my position and respond to the statements made by you. That's all. Obviously you do care, or you wouldn't have taken the time to respond to my statements the way you did in the first place. If you make a statement, don't get mad if someone attempts to clarify or give you more information, especially when it is apparent that you are less knowledgeable. Instead, ask questions and increase your knowledge base. If you ask a question, don't get mad when you don't like the answer. You can't blame someone warning people not to waste their time when someone doesn't appear to be receptive to anything anyone else has to say. |
Are you even reading anything or just posting? What can you not understand? I NEVER asked for your help on this post. TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK AND READ!
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...08#post2912208
I AM NOT THE ORIGINAL POSTER!!! I NEVER ASKED FOR YOUR HELP! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD PLEASE!!! WOW! I was posting my leveling build to give the original poster some ideas. If even after this, you can't understand then you are just trying to be annoying or you are illiterate.
"I have always been a fan of science fiction. It all started when my parents forced me to go to church when I was a child."
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Originally Posted by Jharber
Are you even reading anything or just posting? What can you not understand? I NEVER asked for your help on this post. TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK AND READ!
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...08#post2912208 I AM NOT THE ORIGINAL POSTER!!! I NEVER ASKED FOR YOUR HELP! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD PLEASE!!! WOW! I was posting my leveling build to give the original poster some ideas. If even after this, you can't understand then you are just trying to be annoying or you are illiterate. |
I was speaking of this post, where you asked for help. You are the original poster on this thread. I also stated that it was probably a waste of time to really try to help you as you are the kind of person that is not receptive to it. I explained my reasoning for stating this based upon other threads where you responded negatively to advice given and that you didn't fully understand the mechanics of the class based on your responses. You were the one that brought up that specific thread.
To fully clarify on that specific thread, you posted your opinions and advice to the original poster. Some of it was somewhat useful, but overall, it was bad advice. My response was as much for the benefit of the original poster as it was for you. If you had read that entire thread, you would know that the OP wasn't looking for a leveling build.
Instead of attacking people when they don't agree with you, maybe you should ask them why they don't.
Dark Armor is like that kid you knew in school that didn't know when to shut up, and no matter how bad he got beaten down, he got right back up again and kept on talking.
Hello, I just got a level 40 pvp +3 res and it has really made me want to change my build. I was looking at this. Let me know what you think? It is soft capped res on all, but neg and toxic. I made sure to put 5 slots on all my attacks for future sets also. TYVM for any help/suggestions/comments!
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Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Electric Armor
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(7), Dmg-I(9), Dmg-I(9), Dmg-I(13)
Level 1: Charged Armor -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(3), ResDam-I(3)
Level 2: Haymaker -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(13), Dmg-I(15), Dmg-I(17), Dmg-I(17)
Level 4: Conductive Shield -- ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(5), ImpArm-ResDam(5), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(7)
Level 6: Boxing -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(19), Dmg-I(27), Dmg-I(29), Dmg-I(29)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(31), Dmg-I(31), Dmg-I(31), Dmg-I(33)
Level 10: Static Shield -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(11), ResDam-I(11)
Level 12: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 14: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), Aegis-Psi/Status(15)
Level 16: Grounded -- ResDam-I(A)
Level 18: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(19)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(21), P'Shift-End%(21)
Level 22: Weave -- Ksmt-ToHit+(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(23), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(23), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(25), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg(25), SW-ResDam/Re TP(27)
Level 24: Lightning Field -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(36), Dmg-I(36), Dmg-I(37), EndRdx-I(37), EndRdx-I(37)
Level 26: Rage -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(33), RechRdx-I(33)
Level 28: Energize -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(34), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(34), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Dct'dW-Heal(36)
Level 30: Lightning Reflexes -- Run-I(A)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(39), Dmg-I(39), Dmg-I(39), Dmg-I(40), FrcFbk-Rechg%(40)
Level 35: Power Sink -- P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(40), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(42), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(42), P'Shift-EndMod(48)
Level 38: Hurl -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(42), Dmg-I(43), Dmg-I(43), Dmg-I(43)
Level 41: Gloom -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(45), Dmg-I(45), Dmg-I(45), Dmg-I(46)
Level 44: Darkest Night -- DarkWD-ToHitDeb(A), DarkWD-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(46), DarkWD-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(46), DarkWD-Rchg/EndRdx(48), DarkWD-Slow%(48)
Level 47: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 49: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 1: Ninja Run
"I have always been a fan of science fiction. It all started when my parents forced me to go to church when I was a child."