Soft capped DB/dark ?

Is it even possible ?

My new scrapper is a bit of a concept character but then i thought, heh, i don't need as many powers as usual from the primary and the DB attack chain doesn't need a ton of recharge so, why not build her for defense ?

After playing a bit with Mid's i came up with that, though i'm not happy with it at all. The 3% pvp IO is faaaar out of reach so i'd rather build without it, but i fear even with it i'll be short on the defense.

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Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dual Blades
Secondary Power Set: Dark Armor
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Power Slice -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Dark Embrace -- Aegis-ResDam:53(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:53(17), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:53(46), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg:53(46), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:53(46)
Level 2: Ablating Strike -- T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(45), T'Death-Dam%:40(45), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(45)
Level 4: Death Shroud -- Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:53(A), Oblit-%Dam:53(5), Oblit-Dmg:53(5), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:53(43), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:53(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:53(43)
Level 6: Murky Cloud -- Aegis-ResDam:53(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:53(7), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:53(7), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg:53(9), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:53(17)
Level 8: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:53(A), HO:Enzym(9), HO:Enzym(15)
Level 10: Blinding Feint -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(11), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(11), T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(13), T'Death-Dam%:40(13), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(15)
Level 12: Obsidian Shield -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(A), GA-3defTpProc:50(42)
Level 14: Hurdle -- Jump-I:53(A)
Level 16: Health -- Heal-I:53(A)
Level 18: Vengeful Slice -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(A), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(19), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(19), T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(39), T'Death-Dam%:40(40), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(40)
Level 20: Dark Regeneration -- Nictus-%Dam:53(A), Mrcl-Heal:40(21), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg:40(21), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg:40(37), Mrcl-EndRdx/Rchg:40(39), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx:40(39)
Level 22: Cloak of Darkness -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:53(A), HO:Enzym(23), HO:Enzym(23)
Level 24: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%:53(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc:53(25), P'Shift-EndMod:53(25), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:53(37)
Level 26: Sweeping Strike -- Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:53(A), Oblit-%Dam:53(27), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:53(27), Oblit-Dmg:53(34), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:53(34), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:53(34)
Level 28: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:53(A), Zephyr-Travel:53(29), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:53(29), Zephyr-ResKB:53(33)
Level 30: Cloak of Fear -- Cloud-ToHitDeb:30(A), Cloud-Acc/ToHitDeb:30(31), Cloud-Acc/Rchg:30(31), Cloud-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg:30(31), Cloud-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:30(33), Cloud-%Dam:30(33)
Level 32: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 35: Tough -- Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg:53(A), Aegis-ResDam:53(36), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:53(36), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:53(36), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:53(37)
Level 38: Soul Transfer -- RechRdx-I:53(A)
Level 41: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:53(A), HO:Enzym(42), HO:Enzym(42)
Level 44: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I:53(A)
Level 47: Physical Perfection -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:53(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(48), P'Shift-End%:53(48), P'Shift-EndMod:53(48), EndMod-I:50(50)
Level 49: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel:53(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:53(50), Zephyr-ResKB:53(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
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Set Bonus Totals:

• 13.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
• 13.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
• 13.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
• 13.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
• 13.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
• 13.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
• 13.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
• 13.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
• 15.4% Defense(Smashing)
• 15.4% Defense(Lethal)
• 24.1% Defense(Fire)
• 24.1% Defense(Cold)
• 11% Defense(Energy)
• 11% Defense(Negative)
• 6% Defense(Psionic)
• 24.8% Defense(Melee)
• 16% Defense(Ranged)
• 28.2% Defense(AoE)
• 2.25% Max End
• 5% Enhancement(Heal)
• 18% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 46.3% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
• 15% FlySpeed
• 110.4 HP (8.25%) HitPoints
• 15% JumpHeight
• 15% JumpSpeed
• Knockback (Mag -8)
• Knockup (Mag -8)
• MezResist(Confused) 2.5%
• MezResist(Held) 10.8%
• MezResist(Immobilize) 10.8%
• MezResist(Sleep) 2.5%
• MezResist(Stun) 6.9%
• MezResist(Terrorized) 2.5%
• 5% (0.08 End/sec) Recovery
• 30% RunSpeed
• 7.5% XPDebtProtection

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Anyway it's just a try in Mid's, i have no plan to play with such a build but, i'm looking for ways to improve it and maybe reach the soft cap without gimping the build so much that it would destroy the whole purpose of being a scrapper. If softcap to all 3 positions is not possible, i'd like at least melee/ranged as they're more important than AoE, but i can't see how to make something decent yet. Or Smashing/lethal and maybe energy/negative instead of positionnals, but it seems harder.

Any idea to make it look better ?

Going for just S/L would cover you against the vast majority of attacks, and DA has decent resistances to exotic damage anyway.

Melee/ranged or S/L/E/N... I just don't see it happening. Of course, everytime I say that someone pops up with an actual build for the task at hand, so I'm doing you a favor.

Been meaning to re-do my DB/DA for awhile now so I'm looking at yours to steal a few ideas. Curious though; are you dead set on skipping so many attacks?

EDIT: Removing CoF accuracy question. I mis-read the numbers.

Awesome, Iggy ! Thanks a lot, your build looks like a much better plan than going for positionnal, i knew something like that was doable but i just couldn't find a way. Going to tweak a few slots here and there but i'll probably use that as a basis, though it's way too expensive for me right now it gives something to look forward. If only i could find a way to get rid of the 3% pvp IO, this one alone is probably as expensive as the whole build without it, lol. I'll do without it anyway, without any ddr it will probably be like my katana/dark (sitting at 42% too without the damn IO), where i just pop a small defense inspiration whenever it gets rough, and i'm fine for 99% of the content.

Side question, can this build run the BF + AV attack chain fine enough ? I'm not a number cruncher when it comes to recharge, it looks good for me but, better be sure.

Desmodos, not at all, it was just because i couldn't fit them. Ideally i'll look for BF + Attack Vitals + Typhoon Edge, as i'm an AoE fanatic.

I believe the endurance costs on the following build would be completely unmanageable, but it does get defense values of 42/40/43 to M/R/Aoe. Still tweaking it, but maybe someone has another approach.

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Cynsaya: Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dual Blades
Secondary Power Set: Dark Armor
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Power Slice -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(3), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Mako-Dam%(50)
Level 1: Dark Embrace -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(7), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(7), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(42), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 2: Ablating Strike -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(11), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(11), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), T'Death-Dam%(42)
Level 4: Death Shroud -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(15), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(15), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(17), Oblit-%Dam(46)
Level 6: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-ResKB(9), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(9)
Level 8: Blinding Feint -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(19), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(21), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), Mako-Dam%(29)
Level 10: Obsidian Shield -- GA-3defTpProc(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(23)
Level 12: Typhoon's Edge -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(25), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(27), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), Oblit-%Dam(48)
Level 14: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 16: Dark Regeneration -- Theft-Acc/EndRdx/Heal(A), Theft-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Theft-+End%(31), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(33), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(33)
Level 18: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(33)
Level 20: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(A), Zephyr-Travel(23), Zephyr-ResKB(43)
Level 22: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(34)
Level 24: Vengeful Slice -- T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(A), T'Death-Dam%(25), T'Death-Acc/Dmg(34), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(34), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36)
Level 26: Sweeping Strike -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-%Dam(36), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(37), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39)
Level 28: Cloak of Fear -- Cloud-ToHitDeb(A), Cloud-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Cloud-%Dam(39), Cloud-Acc/Rchg(43), Cloud-Acc/ToHitDeb(46), Cloud-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 30: Murky Cloud -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam(40), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(40), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(40), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 32: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 35: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(43), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(45), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 38: Cloak of Darkness -- HO:Enzym(A), HO:Enzym(45)
Level 41: Weave -- HO:Enzym(A), HO:Enzym(45)
Level 44: Conserve Power -- Empty(A)
Level 47: Physical Perfection -- EndMod-I(A)
Level 49: Maneuvers -- HO:Enzym(A), HO:Enzym(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit

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Here's around 47% to all positions. Attack Chain is Blinding Feint -> Attack Vitals -> Power Slice. Endurance isn't even close to sustainable, but it might be bearable if you pack blues and turn off powers situationally. I wouldn't recommend it as is, but maybe it could be adjusted to something reasonable.

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This one sure looks like a nightmare for the blue bar ^^ But it shows it's doable somehow, still impressing.

Version 2. AoE drops to 45%, but net recovery goes up by 0.41 EPS and resistances are improved across the board. My guess is that it will fight for a little under a minute, then Conserve Power gives you another 90 seconds, then it will fight for a little under a minute. Maybe three minutes of fight total. Not great, but getting better. Also, it has both Tactics and a Kismet unique. You won't likely need Tactics running most of the time. You could also turn off Hover, and still be at 44.7%, 45.3% and 43.1%, which would be fine for most play. The build isn't yet one I'd play, but it's enough to make me guess that you could actually pull it off.

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K here's my shot at it minus the PvP IO's

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You two and your Stamina-less builds are just killing me

Seeing group fly being useful for something (even as an IO mule) is... disturbing

Alright, since we've abandoned reason a while back, it occurred to me one might as well go for typed defense instead. The end result is no more playable than some of the other suggestions but this one has the benefit of possessing every Dual Blade attack.

44.9% defense to SLFCNE (I accidentally ended up with 46.8% AoE defense)


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Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dual Blades
Secondary Power Set: Dark Armor
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Nimble Slash -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5)
Level 1: Dark Embrace -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(5), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(7), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(25), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(25)
Level 2: Death Shroud -- Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg(11), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(13), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(15), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(15)
Level 4: Ablating Strike -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(17), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 6: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-ResKB(11), HO:Enzym(37), HO:Enzym(42), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(48)
Level 8: Blinding Feint -- Rec'dRet-ToHit(A), Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg(9), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(23), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(29), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36)
Level 10: Obsidian Shield -- GA-3defTpProc(A), Aegis-ResDam(17), Aegis-Psi/Status(19), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(19), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(45), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 12: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(31)
Level 16: Dark Regeneration -- Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Theft-Acc/EndRdx/Heal(33)
Level 18: Vengeful Slice -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(21), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(23)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A)
Level 22: Murky Cloud -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(31), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 24: Typhoon's Edge -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(27), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(39), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(40), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(40), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(40)
Level 26: Sweeping Strike -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(27), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(31), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(36), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(50), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 28: Cloak of Fear -- SipInsght-ToHitDeb(A), SipInsght-Acc/ToHitDeb(29), SipInsght-Acc/Rchg(34), SipInsght-%ToHit(42), SipInsght-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(45), SipInsght-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 30: Power Slice -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(34), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(36), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 32: One Thousand Cuts -- Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg(33), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(33), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(37), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(39), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(39)
Level 35: Cloak of Darkness -- HO:Enzym(A), HO:Enzym(43)
Level 38: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-ResKB(42), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(43)
Level 41: Boxing -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A)
Level 44: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(45), Aegis-ResDam(46), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(46)
Level 47: Weave -- HO:Enzym(A), HO:Enzym(48)
Level 49: Maneuvers -- HO:Enzym(A), HO:Enzym(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit

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Well i think there is some, if high recharge is not needed for the offense. I can't count how many times i thought "damn i really wish i had soft capped defense" on my other /dark characters when doing a tf or even some "hard" group stuff since i like to dive into spawns first and even with 75+ recharge and hasten running dark regen is not enough by itself to keep up with the damage.

It often seems like i just need something to reduce the alpha strike or give me a few seconds before dropping into the red after the first heal, even if i'll eat a lot of debuffs, high defense is probably the best bet here.

But i just don't like the idea of going for defense if i don't hit the soft cap, as i tend to be "all or nothing"

Overall the s/l/e/n softcap build posted at the beginning seems like the best when it comes to being playable and not gimping the whole character and its concept/fun, as i wouldn't play /dark if i had to do it without some specific powers i enjoy (such as soul transfer and CoF), not counting the blue bar problems

Impressive guys.

Though it still seems like Broadsword and Katana are the only primaries that can softcap to positional with Dark Armor and still remain playable. Though if someone comes up with a build that can do it I will cheerfully stand corrected.

Considering the attempts i think it could be possible with a different primary maybe. Something with a low recharge attack chain made of 3-4 attacks to allow for all the other power picks, build up instead of follow-up (to easily slot the Gaussian set) and either endurance tools or low endurance usage. Mmmh...

Bah! I saw that the most recent post was by Shred Monkey, and was hoping you'd just posted some awesome build to put us all to shame.

I'm not so sure we want to settle for a super low recharge chain on Dark Armor, though. Recharge improves Dark Regeneration, which, even at the soft cap, is still one of the most critical powers. So I'm not sure I'd set, for instance, "good chain at 0% global recharge" as a goal, because I wouldn't want 0% global recharge as a goal.

And just to get on board as I try to make continued improvements to this concept, what are people focusing on that makes them see the builds as unplayable? Is it the endurance usage? That's the reason that I wouldn't want to play the one I made, but I consider my "needs" (no temp no insp AV soloing) to be special, not general.

Iggy's first build has a 2.36 EPS recovery before attacks, and also has Conserve Power. I'd have to do some math to check it, but on the surface, it doesn't look like it would have an endurance problem for anything BUT pylon and AV soloing without temps or inspirations, and it might be OK even there. Does that one not count because it has typed defense and Fire and Cold aren't soft capped?

So, what are we shooting for here? 45% defense to all positions OR to SLFCEN with sustainable endurance usage for no temp no insp pylon and AV soloing? That's a pretty strange definition of "playable"! Mind you, it's the definition I'd be using for my own play, so I'm with y'all. Oh! And Cloak of Fear instead of Oppressive Gloom, because I agree with Celidya that it's more fun (and a better choice for a soft-capped Darkie). Do we need to add a 200+ DPS requirement to make Shred Monkey happy too? This is getting hard!

But really, if we can get a 200+ DPS, soft-capped non-sword Dark Armor with sustainable endurance use and Cloak of Fear, how cool would that be? I don't think it's possible, particularly if Shred's been working on it for two weeks without success, but maybe... just maybe...