Request: Ninja Run for Ninja MM Pets

Samuel_Tow · 12-01-2009 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by zachary_EU

Well I like european and american cartoons and comics. Anime is too odd, illogical and strange lookin and I'm too old for that. Personally I hate almost all things in anime, but if someone likes it... Its not my business. Still liking anime is not any default thing of the world.

"I don't like" shouldn't translate into "is not good." That's always useful to remember. And again, the Ninja Run doesn't attempt to look "cool" so much as it attempts to look "ninja." And it does that very well. Your having not watched enough anime to recognise this puts you at a disadvantage, but this run is practically characteristic of any anime (either animated or video game) ninja that I can recall off-hand.

Hell, grab a copy of Ninja Blade and watch Ken run. It's that run to a T.

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AzureSkyCiel · 12-01-2009 03:37 AM

I would like to admit the idea of the OP's has merit, and as others have pointed out though, the oni would probably look a bit wrong with ninja run, particularly the issues with his skirt thing. (They definitely do not look like the bottom half of kimino, nor do they look much like hakama)
However I would also like to point out that ninja run also looks good because of the speed that comes with it, which, we are proposing, the ninja would not have. For an idea as to how silly this might look, make a character set to max height scales and get them up to using ninja run, notice how the animation is slowed to pace with their steps but also the sense of how slow it is compared to how fast you're supposed to or need to be moving.

Now as to whether ninja run looks bad, I think I should point out to Zachery that when you're wielding a bladed weapon, or one of any sort, it can actually look rather silly to run with it bobbing about, nearly poking out your eye or swinging this way and that, ninja run offers something where you do not look like you're going to take out half your own team just be moving alongside them.

In closing, the idea has merits, but might need some work, among other issues with ninjas, but non-the-less, I'll give it my /signing.

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zachary_EU · 12-01-2009 04:09 AM

Thanks Samuel thats true. Persons own opinion is not universal fact. I stand corrected.

So that was my first time to see that kind of running. Is that based for some historical facts? I have doubts about that methods energy efficiency. Persons arms does not make work at all.

Look at this video. This is effective running. Runners arms take a part of performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqSMz...eature=related

I understand that this is game and based of fictional superhero genre, but I never seen any superheroes to run like ninjarun. So thats why it looked so strange and why I compared it to sillywalk. I'm not sure, is that ninjarun part of superhero genre at all.

edit. You have a point Azure. If you have sword on your hand, ninjarun makes it less dangerous to you and your friends. That makes sense then.

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Samuel_Tow · 12-01-2009 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel

However I would also like to point out that ninja run also looks good because of the speed that comes with it, which, we are proposing, the ninja would not have. For an idea as to how silly this might look, make a character set to max height scales and get them up to using ninja run, notice how the animation is slowed to pace with their steps but also the sense of how slow it is compared to how fast you're supposed to or need to be moving.

Well, Mastermind Henchmen in general are pretty dang fast. I can't really find a good reference for their speed, as I can't start the game at the moment, but from experience, they are easily able to catch up to my Ninja-Running Mastermind for the most part. They have a run speed and jump height buff specifically for this reason - so they don't fall behind. If they were running at player-level run speed, then yeah, I can see that, but they're considerably faster.

And, you know... Even if they weren't, why not MAKE Ninja run faster? I mean, it's sort of their thing, isn't it? Give ninja an inherent run speed buff and give robots an inherent fly. That way robots can make use of their kickin' foot jets and ninja can use the Ninja Run.

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Now as to whether ninja run looks bad, I think I should point out to Zachery that when you're wielding a bladed weapon, or one of any sort, it can actually look rather silly to run with it bobbing about, nearly poking out your eye or swinging this way and that, ninja run offers something where you do not look like you're going to take out half your own team just be moving alongside them.

That's always the big problem most people don't see. First of all, NO-ONE runs around with a large bladed weapon even if they're not thinking. The weapon is heavy, and swinging it around like that is not comfortable. That's actually why you'll see a lot of more accurate portrayals have people carry swords like handbags - down low and fairy stationary. But even then, a LARGE bladed weapon is dangerous to swing around and point with, which is why a lot of samurai and ninja movies, games and cartoons will have the character run with the weapon held back behind their backs, or in fact with the weapon in the sheath.

One thing the ninja run has going for it is it's very, very accurate to being used with weapons. Dual blades, single blades, shields and so forth. In fact, Ninja Run with a shield is exactly what I thought Shield Charge would look like, instead of the Shield Swat it ended up as.

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zachary_EU · 12-01-2009 04:30 AM

I was just thinking about that position. It actually hides your weapon and face. So it should be more like stalking movement, not like running. Ninjas are assassins so they have to stalk a lot.

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Samuel_Tow · 12-01-2009 04:45 AM

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I was just thinking about that position. It actually hides your weapon and face. So it should be more like stalking movement, not like running. Ninjas are assassins so they have to stalk a lot.

Ninja, as presented in the movies and American and Japanese animations, never existed, so arguing what is more realistic for them to be doing isn't very productive. What we can draw on is the fiction built around them, which has them as fighters, as fast runners, as high jumpers, and as wielders of all manner of clearly magical tricks. In fact, a lot of "ninja" anime doesn't have anything to do with the American idea of a lack hood and a black jumpsuit, choosing instead to put ninja in regular clothes, or sometimes incredibly cool but implausible clothes. And Naruto's ninja are anything BUT stealthy, with men wearing traffic cone orange or white, and women dressing in cleavage and high-heeled shoes. In fact, to this day people complain about the Genin not having face-concealing masks, even though the world's most famous genin never actually wore one at all.

Basically, you can pick up the American version of a ninja, which is a dude dressed in black with an uncharacteristically large sword who knows martial arts. For a Ninja Mastermind, these are represented by the Jounin. Or you can pick up the more anime variant, which as ninja less "black hood" and more sorcerer. In fact, the Tsoo Sorcerers and their various bosses are exactly what this concept translates to. My martial arts are so strong I can shoot fire out of my hands. Huh? For a Ninja Mastermind, this is usually the Oni - more sorcerer than martial artist. I'm not sure what the point of the Genin is, other than to portray the usual PRAY of a fictional ninja. They're basically low-skill, unarmed martial artists who win more on number and luck than they do on skill. And they're kind of like the ninja in your typical Karate Kid knockoff, or most American Ninja B-movies. So we have the concepts covered.

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