Corruptor Secondary Should Get Scourge

Not completely true. (Well, about the "if you do your job it won't be needed." I agree very much that it sucks.) You can't plan for everything, some primaries do mitigation instead of prevention - and even if you floor tohit, there's still that 5% chance of getting hit... potentially with something *big.* And that doesn't even get into some of the powers that have an accuracy check themselves (see also Kinetics.)

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Not "seriously."

Well, my tongue-in-cheek point was that Vigilance affects all powers and is much, much less desirable than Scourge. Conversely, Scourge doesn't work for some powers but is nevertheless pretty good.

Conclusion: fix Defender Vigilance before spending coding resources on making Scourge, already a good inherent, Even Better™.

So start a thread with this suggestion...

Seriously, why come to a thread and then say work on Vigilance before Scourge cuz its sooo lousy and Scourge is sooo wonderful? (For those of you who can't seem to understand, yes this is sarcastic)

I haven't actually played a Defender before, but I know I'd LOVE it if my Masterminds could get an endurance discount when I lose henchmen. The thing is, even with the best-laid plans, things go awry, and when everyone is dead or dying and you're running on empty with the debuffs and heals, that's when an endurance discount can really, really help. That said, JUST an endurance discount doesn't seem like enough.

On the note of Scourge extending to secondaries, I say "why not?" Scourge is a damage critical, so anything that does damage should Scourge, regardless if it's from a primary, secondary or a pool.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

This.

Corruptor's not getting scourge on their secondary powers is exactly like scrapper's damage auras not critting (Death Shroud, Blazing Aura, and Lightning Field will never crit) and Brute damage auras not building Fury (Death Shroud, Blazing Aura, Lightning Field, and Mud Pots will not build fury, but they benefit from it)

Blaster defiance only works on their secondary powers because it is a boost to their base damage, it is applied before enhancement values and is not tied to the powers themselves. Scourge IS tied to the powers, and is applied after enhancement, which is why it is always exactly double the damage, no matter what enhancement value you have in it.

You would have to create new versions of all those powers that do damage in order to add the Scourge ability to them. I would wager a guess that, since they are currently in line with scrapper and brute secondary damage powers, the devs are going to see no reason to change it.

There are very few powers in a corruptors secondaries that deal damage, the same as there are very few in scrapper and brute secondaries that deal damage. If they will not crit or build fury, it is fair for corruptor secondaries to not scourge.

(For the record, Tanker Gauntlet is specifically tied to them attacking, it actually has no effect on their primary powerset. A taunt aura is exactly that, an aura with a taunt component)

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

This is a suggestion forum last time I checked and as such I was offering a suggestion. If something needs looked at before Scourge then so be it. However, why post it in this thread? There are a few posts in existence that deal with Vigilance, either post in one of those or start a new one.

Actually the damage buff that defiance grants IS tied to the powers. If you look at the powers in game you'll notice they all have a "+X% damage for Y seconds" line in them.