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Quote:It's my understanding that F2P players will have limited/no access to IOs.Originally Posted by MrLiberty
I'd honestly just say wait the 2 or 3 months for the F2P stuff to kick in. Its not really worth it at the moment.
More is better, but just being realistic. -
Again, it's pretty straightforward that you guys have the right to stick by your rules. You don't need to be rational about it, you have that right. I'm not being sarcastic when I say that. Essentially, it's your league, you have the right to dis-allow our admittance, even if it does go against the expressed perspectives of virtually every veteran PvPer that still plays.
What I don't get (Actually, I do get it) is why rather than a frank answer, we get all of this passive aggressive crap.
Somehow, we're trash talking elitists who claim that our stacked team would crush everyone.
What we've actually said is that we aren't elitists, that the concept of "elite" PvPers is a joke, and that our team has lots of RPers in it.
We don't have to back up any trash talk, War Admiral, because we haven't talked any. We have nothing to prove in CoH. If we did, many of us proved it long ago, and the rest of us are RPers...
Why put words in our mouths? Really, why? Please explain why you've decided to type cast us and come near lying about things we've said.
The closest thing to game-related trash talk was Vinnie saying he could out-call anyone in this league. I'm not talking trash when I say that he could. Big deal. Is he a better human being than any of you because he can out-call you in a superhero game? Why get mad over something like that?
Let's not act like any of us are perfect, or even normal for that matter. We all played/have played CoH. We chose to play CoH over other games out there that are infinitely better on paper. At some point, most of us have left and come back, against our better judgement, after saying we never would return. We are out of our minds for even playing this game, let alone PvPing in it. Most of us, at one time or another, have had a semi-serious discourse on the forums of an online superhero game - that's just plain unfortunate. None of us have the logic or moral grounds to justify being able to hate on a battle-rapping, nasally-voiced, mega-man tattoo wearing RPer, who happens to be the best Rad, best Sonic, and best RPing wizard to ever play the game that we, for some reason, hold so dear. -
As I see it, rules are rules. Sometimes they just can't be broken, and that's the cold hard truth (in this case, I don't see what harm would come from breaking said rule, but ultimately, the choice isn't ours).
That part is pretty straightforward. The rest... eh...
Vinnie has probably PvPed on champion more than any two people in this league put together. I don't really see how that matters at all, though... I don't really see how a player's lack of PvP experience on champion matters either. Back when PvP thrived on champion, I don't remember anyone from HVND, VORI, PCJL, or any PvP involved SG from Champion refusing to play people who were from other servers.
As for us being on some sort of high horse, how?
Quote:We don't give a damn either. Really. We don't. Once again, Vinnie alone has probably helped more PvPers become successful (Meaning they actually significantly improved) than anyone else here.But tbh, nobody gives a damn whose better than them... People care about the people who are better than them and are interested in helping them out.. For example Masque's Team beat my team by 18 points but the very next post made on the CAPE boards from their team was from Lib saying that if teams were interested with practicing w/ his help he would be available at XYZ dates/times.... So please by all means ride around on your high horse because we don't want a part of it unless your willing to get off and help out... being able to do something is one thing.. being able to teach it requires an entirely different level of understanding.
Ask players like Fiery, Liberty, Tfury, or almost anyone else on the two teams you consider to be competative: Which players helped you improve the most? They'd likely name several players who happen to be on our roster.
Does that mean we're amazing teachers who bend over backwards to help everyone at all costs? Hell no. But the notion that we are just some malicious group of elitists who hate fun is pretty unfounded. We just want to play matches, together. We don't care about winning or who claims to be the "best".
Almost half of our roster is made up of RPers from virtue, like Xanatos. I don't see how he's suddenly being die-cast as an elitist PvPer who wants to ruin everyone's fun. Pretty ridiculous.
And...as for a team asking for practices after they've rolled other teams - that's not sportsmanship, lol. That's just asking for practice. Any team in their right mind would do that.
In summary:
We aren't elitists. We don't care about winning. Some of us are ********, some of us aren't. We want to play together, because we like playing bad games for nostalgia and just for plain kicks. The only difference between us and anyone else is that we have more RPers. -
Fixed for accuracy.
PvPEC Freedom League:
1 Good team:
U2BG
1 solid team:
SMD
Everyone else was mediocre/bad
Ladder following the Freedom League:
1 good team:
becalm
1 solid team:
soco
1 decent team:
anti social
1 half decent team:
dUmb
Everyone else was bad
Bud Bowl:
1 almost decent team:
Steve
1 almost half decent team:
RFR
1 okish team:
Artic and the Chills
Everyone else was terrible
FML:
1 half decent team:
BFG
1 almost half decent team:
dUmb
Everyone else was terrible -
I don't see how all skill levels can co-exist if all skill levels aren't allowed to exist.
I also don't get the notion that players who win leagues are somehow "COMPETITIVE" or "ELITE". Someone is going to win.
The simple fact is, the CoH PvP community has NEVER had a balance of skill across the board. Skill levels co-existed simply because they existed in the first place, not because they were regulated.
If player X can evade well enough to survive every spike from player Y's team, is he an elitist for not intentionally letting himself die a couple times? Is he an elitist for wanting to team with people who are of a similar or higher skill level than he?
It's got nothing to do with being "hardcore/softcore" or "competitive/casual". There's no such thing.
Anyone who participated in the freedom league (the one that had roughly four times as many active participants as any since, and the only one with developer support) can tell you that some teams practiced almost every night. Some teams who claimed to be "just in it for fun" ran "stalling lineups" in hope of stealing wins or causing other teams to lose points. Some teams snuck people into the draft using fake globals.
Yet, in the end, it was the team that practiced like 3 times total, didn't have glad jav procs for 9/10 of the league, and ran kins because "IR was fun" that decisively won the league.
Being "Hardcore" or "Elitist", or even "more competitive" has always had little bearing, if any at all on who proves to be "skilled". If anything, history has proven that the most skilled teams are the ones who would play a terrible game together, just because they like playing with one another... and maybe laughing as people somehow manage to lose to them along the way.