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Originally Posted by Ashtoreth_NA
Powers...and costume parts...aren't really comparable.
I think you're being a bit facetious.
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Capes, auras, Cimeroran sets, & special weapons are not powers but costume parts...
Available after completing some quests, or by collecting tokens.
I wasn't talking about powers here, just costume parts that are not available from the start.
I talked about "elite chars" because epic ATs have quite unique costume parts or auras.
And it would be weird to get them from day 1... but oh well...
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You, again, are making ridiculous comparisons. A slow player can make 20 in a month. Certain costume parts require YEARS of time to get.
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Hmm... Actually you seem to miss the point.
Which is : someone who leaves because s/he can't wear a cape at level 1 wouldn't stay long anyway. Just like you said, it's available in a month.
If the game in itself is not enough to keep a player in for a month, it's foolish to think that player would've stayed anyway.
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I don't have a problem with presents. (And there should be multiple, tiered aura selections.)
I am echoing another person's arguement--that I am in total agreement with--that people should get full costume parts at level 1, day 1. It doesn't really have much to do with the idea of giving veteran players special gifts at all. It especially has nothing to do with the special powers that vets or level 50s have. Your 'exaggeration' has no point to it.
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I think costumes are probably the CoX feature the devs are the most proud of.
I do think they don't want players to get them all at once, but to gain them, try them, enjoy the fact that they got something new, instead of simply have a closed amount of stuff to wear.
You don't give your best stuff for free.
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I have a page bookmarked of recommended free games online. There are quite a lot. To suggest that there is no competition in this market is a bit naive.
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A whole page of bookmarked free MMOs with the same amount of clothing customization as CoX... Well I'd love to see that, honestly, please share.
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You've found a niche in this game. It satisfies what you want. The human tendency to nest has convinced you to not shop around anymore, so you're willing to 'work' for the right to pay for what you want.
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Well either I don't get what you mean, or you missed your target.
I'm playing different MMOs, some that I paid for (SWG, LOTRO), some free (SNW, CO, and a couple more). I'm not a CoX fanboy, I left for quite some time (which is why I'm far from the 75 months
) but came back, and found it good enough to stay.
I tried many games before and after I came back, which is why I feel I can make some comparisons (and why your "page of bookmarked free MMOs with the same amount of clothing customization as CoX" seems so weird to me, but again, please share).
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Getting gifts is nice. Withholding things that are pretty basic to a game like this is more like punishing new players. Capes? You can't get CAPES in a superhero game til level 20? That's retarded. It's symptomatic of the feeling of achievement the devs felt when they created them that they made players *earn* them. Great feeling for them. And every other thing is a reward for the players who *worked* for the game.
But that's a completely inappropriate attitude for the marketplace.
With all the competition out there, they're more likely to go where they CAN get what they want.
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Huhu... If what they want is a superhero with a cape at lvl 1, I see one other possibility ^_^
If they want a superhero with samuraï armor at level 1 well... I don't see any
More competition will come, for sure, but till now, is anyone impressed by the competition in the same area ?
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That 2 or 3 months is the time someone spends getting to know the game. Is their character pretty boring? Or is it exactly what they want? There's a lot of other things that ought to be tweaked in this game to make it less of a promise that 'it'll get good someday.'
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I really agree with you on this one.
There's a lot to do to make it really better (and GR won't be enough in that matter).
But do you really think someone who's bored with the game would suddenly find it appealing because of boxer pants given at level 1 ?
You can be bored over gameplay (either you didn't play because it bored you from the start, or you tried all ATs, and got bored from actually playing).
But over cosmetic choices, while there's already so much to choose from scratch ? Allow me to doubt that.
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See, I have everything I want, I know all the tricks. I'm doing just fine. But I want MOAR than vet benefits. I want all the stuff that costs money in development, like alternate animations for chopping people up with swords. That needs money, which means we need more new playing customers, which means thinking about the newbie and being the right choice for him.
Would I give up vet benefits for new animations and maps and powersets and a vast array of costume options? You betcha!
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And there we're going back to my first point (that you didn't answer to) : having a bunch of new players who'd stay for one month wouldn't give you all the cool stuff.
What is needed is a bigger player base that actually sticks.
And from what I saw on ALL MMOs, you enlarge your player base through huge events, like an expansion (maybe GR - hopefully), or a modification of the gameplay (SWG for example), or even of the paying terms (DDO
).
And sometimes through that same event you can lose your initial player base btw
Would I give up vet benefits for new animations and maps and powersets and a vast array of costume options? Yes !
Would giving up vet rewards grant me all this ? No !
We need new players and the game needs to be tweaked to make them stay.
Vet rewards probably need to be modified (I like the idea of selecting what you want within one year).
But giving away everything for free from the start isn't the solution.
Why would anyone play a game for 3 months if they get and discover everything in one ??
