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Quote:What is the target for Effective Health? There are not a whole lot of powers blasters get that are affected by those mods. Really it is only in the pools where they can get resistance and defense (and /Dev gets one power).Some Blaster mods do feel a bit low. Whether or not we will change them at this point, I'm not sure - it's a very risky change, because changing class mods changes how every single one of their powers works. If Blaster Effective Health is still found to be wanting after these changes, however, the buffs will continue until performance improves.
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Blasters interact with Mez uniquely thanks to Defiance and now they will have some offensive toggles that also interact with mez uniquely. Since blasters are the offensive specialists and interacting with mez in this unique fashion is part of their inherent, I suggest the three remaining blaster secondary toggles get the feature of suppression, rather than shutting off. Hot Feet, Death Shroud, and Lightning Field should suppress when mezzed, not shut-off.
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Is there any consideration to making these powers have a 15 foot radius for blasters? Lighting Field and Hot Feet are both at 20 feet and that size makes a lot more sense for blasters. What is the end cost on Cauterizing Aura? -
Quote:Yes.are you arrogant?
thats a question you should ask yourself before you try correcting my grammer or insinuating otherwise.
You should consider using capital letters to start sentences and the occasional line break. It would make your posts easier to read and give a better impression. Or you can ignore that advice, but I think you would get a more receptive audience if you took an extra 10-60 seconds per post.
You might think blasters are not broken, but I am having trouble recalling a time when they added this much mitigation to anything while also admitting that it still may not be enough. -
While I have heard they can't do a cleanse effect, I think they can. A very brief mez protection (like your suggestion, 3 to 5 seconds) along with a very large amount of mez resistance. That said, I am not sure how useful that would be and I do think it would be frustrating on those occasions when you hit Aim, the mez is cleansed, but 5 seconds in another mez lands. If Aim and BU were given mez protection, I'd just rather it be for 10-12 seconds.
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Quote:Well, yeah, I cheated.Also, you went with Shadow Meld there. Thats just one very specific Ancillary pool.
Hey, I didn't even ask you to check out what the stalker numbers were under Power Surge (because it is pretty lame on scraps and stalkers).
Quote:I am not trying to make the build you propose irrelevant, just noting that it's no huge sacrifice for the blaster to get these powers, not even a concept breaker.
Quote:OH and also: I was analizing the only Blaster secondary I have numbers for: Devices.
Want to check out Ninjitsu or Ice?
A blaster build with Scorpion Shield could be neat too. -
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Quote:lol. You suggested an Electric stalker can run out of endurance but aren't worried about my /Fire manip blaster's endurance concerns. Too funny.Other than running out of endurance with that number of toggles and being forced to pass on a lot of attacks or epic powers?
Thanks for the information, I appreciate the time you are spending checking this out. Understand, I added no extra powers beyond the same number you added to the blaster, so any complaint of the Stalker missing out on taking other powers applies to the blaster equally (but you probably think a lot of blaster powers should be skipped anyway, whereas the stalker has lots of good stuff to take). -
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Quote:In fact, snipes deal 30% more damage than most tier 3s. Only Blaze can out do a snipe, and only if most of its DoT hits (and Fire's Snipe also gets DoT, so it will generally outdo Blaze as well).they don't do ANY more damage than a standard tier 3 blast, slightly less in fact.
Quote:Really folks - I get that some of you are happy with the current changes, my archery/dev blaster is going to profit from them considerably since I already have all the powers in question and my TD is slotted to have 22% to hit. But I think everyone who is fighting against making these changes more universal to all blasters is falling into the same trap as the folks who used to argue that because their tricked out archery/mental blaster was insanely good that all blasters are fine. Its not exactly the same, but its pretty close. We need to fight for BETTER changes that affect all blasters equally.
Other changes are for that purpose and I agree we need to discuss BETTER changes, I'm even willing to expend modest energy testing and typing to try to get those improvements (but I ain't fighting for it).
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Quote:What happens if the Stalker has Tough(3so), Weave (3so), Combat Jumping (1so) and Ancillary Shadow Meld (3so (recharge)).OK, as I edited to note in my last post, i found another error in my previous calculations. Anyways, following is a table of DPS numbers the listed builds can survie without having their HP bar dent. Once that number dents, you start dying. How fast you die depends how much over the DPS you are facing, but basically 100dps over the values mean you die in 16 seconds:
- Live Blaster, with unslotted health (default slot empty): 9.37 DPS
- Live Blaster, with Health 3 slotted: 11.91 dps
- Proposed device blaster, with Field Op 3 slotted and Health 3 slotted: 36.0 DPS
- Willpower Stalker with every power 3 slotted for all effects and spamming their heal: 67.24
- Electric Stalker spamming Energize (benefit averaged) 44.16 to 49.26 dps(depends on dmg type) 72.25 dps for energy.
Edit: going crazy:
A Blaster with Tough(3so), Weave (3so), Hover (1so) and Ancillary Charged Armor (3so) would get:
71.19 dps against smash & lethal.
56.08 dps against Energy
41.27 dps against everything else
Just compare the smash/lethal against Energy Stalker's Capped resistance! -
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Quote:They are standard snipes for casting, so they will be affected by this change. They do have longer rehcarges and do a lot of damage, but are still the long cast with interrupt period (at least according to MIDS).But if they still have the interrupt window then those snipes are worse than I thought... sure better DPAS but due to the interrupt window blaster snipes get 20% bonus damage. Dominator snipes get no bonus damage, they just do standard damage proportional to their recharge.
While they may not get bonus damage for being interruptible, they do more damage than the blaster versions, so I'll not be complaining. -
Without doing calculations, I am guessing Ice blast is still going to be solid for single target DPS. Plus, it is the king of mitigation when it comes to blaster primaries, so maybe it should be on the low end for damage.
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Wouldn't it be more appropriate to say it is no change at all? They didn't actually make dominator snipes worse.
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Quote:This is true, but it also is less interesting. While all the powers have a similar goal, I like that they have different mechanical functions and are each unique to their own secondary. This type of thing also lends itself to other theme appropriate suggestions.Simply adding it to the base and saying 'the first step is reducing your downtime' would have probably been widely welcomed rather than derided.
I'd recommend we focus our energy on thinking of how to make suggestions that work with the proposed changes or only very slightly modify them, rather than saying throw out the work and testing done up to this point and start over. -
Somehow I don't find it a bad thing that Dominators may feel the least benefit.
I definitely prefer the idea of the attack being 2.5 to 3.5 seconds and doing really high damage rather than faster animating and lowering the damage (if keeping the fast cast mechanic). -
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Quote:Well, I can still use the snipe just for its range benefit between fast casts. Early attack chains are rarely seamless anyway, so the longer animation of a snipe isn't hurting like when you get to late game and can fill out the attack chain without a bad DPA power.By default Aim puts your snipe on a 90s recharge. That isn't really an improvement.
Even a single DO in Aim knocks the cycle time to under 80 seconds. Two SOs brings it to under a minute. This is helpful leveling. While leveling a lot of our abilities are not always available. Dull Pain isn't useless early, it is less useful than later on when you get more slots for it and when you add global recharge to have it even more often. -
I think if you removed 1.5 to 2 seconds from the current Interrupt time and walked away, it could have been done. That is not as fun, IMO, but it would work out mathematically. With the current interesting mechanic, I would recommend they also remove 1 to 1.5 seconds from the interrupt for when it doesn't fast cast.
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Quote:Curses, I forgot about this one. That's OK, we can fix this. Yeah!Dark Manipulation.Touch of Fear >> Touch of the Beyond This is still a melee click that needs a target. Using it on a foe grants a long duration (60 sec?) regen buff along with fearing and debuffing the target. This buff, AFAIR, does not stack on the caster.
Touch of Fear becomes Land of Fear. A pet that can be place up to 80 feet away and lasts 10 seconds (maybe use that Dark control immob swirly effect on the ground). Every 2 seconds this pet ticks a terrorize and to-hit debuff effect in a 10 foot radius that can affect up to five targets with an 8 second duration.
Plus it grants the caster a long duration regen buff.
So not happening, but it would be the bees knees. -
Quote:I think the idea would be that you need a normal chain, and then can occasionally improve on that through the fast cast snipe. This is not really a bad thing, unless you feel builds are too tight to manage it. I think there is a build cost, but I do not think it is as high as you are concerned about.As things stand with snipes their situation is all the time and when you can use them is when the stars align.
You will still be able to have an excellent chain without the snipe and can occasionally improve it by throwing the snipe in when appropriate. Would it be even better damage-wise if you min/max to always have the improved snipe? Yes. But again, that is a min-max only perspective. The better snipe will not be hurting builds that operate below the all the time fast cast or, if you are min-maxing and feel it is hurting, you don't choose the snipe, instead choosing what you think is better.
The snipe will be a viable choice. Useful for non min/maxed builds. Can be min-maxed to be very useful or min-maxed out of a build for other stuff one deems more important. I think this snipe change will have a large amount of people on both sides of that build decision.
That is right, a fair amount of builds will still choose to skip the snipe after this change and that is a good thing. -
Quote:Well, I know I sometimes use Divine Avalanche and sometimes I don't. I sometimes throw in Touch of Fear other times I don't. Sometimes on my /Stone tanker I use Fault a lot, other times I don't need to. I think you are in error. Melee attack sets have situational powers too. I'll grant they reduced some of this when they added damage to Clobber and Cobra Strike, but they still have a fair smattering of not needed all the time powers that are never-the-less often recommended.There is the problem for me. Nobody tells a scrapper, oh your attack chain is situational, not even for the combo sets like dual pistols.
But I grant your DPA argument. Blast sets still have a bunch of stinkers (looks at Shout and Howl, Power Burst, Cosmic Burst, Abyssal Gaze and Life Drain, and Short Circuit) many of which are important to have in a build because there are no other choices or they have other desirable effects.
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Quote:Build choices often are hard. On my primary blaster I've always said I'd give up Blazing Aura if they made something else good (I had high hopes for Melt Armor, but they decided to make it craptastic for APPs). I was kind of hoping Inferno would lose the crash and maybe have the recharge changed to 4 minutes.If you don't lose a blast you have to come up with a power pick and enough slots to make the snipe work that will be real hard.
But, alas, they made BA my heal power, so I'll just have to keep it.
On my Fire/Fire/Force ranger I'll likely drop Fire Sword, which I only took in case something got in my face, for the snipe. I don't really have room for Cauterizing, but I might consider dropping Inferno. This character has a lot of recharge and while I have Tactics I will not chase perma fast cast because Aim and Build Up recharge fast enough for me (I do have vengeance though, which I get to use pretty often, and while that is up my to hit is plenty high).
So many other characters. I will likely drop something on my Nrg/Dev/Mun for the snipe since I already have TD and CD. The Fire/Mental will likely not change, no need for the snipe. My Sonic/Nrg will take Energize, I'll find a way to fit it in. It certainly does add choices.
My Nrg/Regen/Mace stalker will be pretty happy. It may only fast cast after Build Up, but I took the snipe for giggles anyway. I mean, 8 seconds, really. How awesome is that!
It is huge. It makes them better than Blaze. Some will be better than Widow LUNGE. -
Quote:Not sure it is true that it will bring damage down ever. Sure, if you use the snipe all the time even when not buffed to make it fast, but I see players do that now. You don't have to push the button just because it is recharged.If you have to tear out a power to put it in your build and have it well slotted, not so much. At that point you are trading bread and butter all the time utility for something that is situational and for most combinations will be bringing your overall damage down.
Quote:I can agree with good design having players make tradeoffs the problem is blasters have already traded survivability for damage. The snipe change really isn't addressing that.
That said, snipes were not the main part of trying to balance blasters. The snipe changes are there because snipes need something across every AT. Only the secondary mitigation additions will make me lose my bet so I am working on figuring out how to make sure the devs realize they need a broader revamp and that those changes should be pushed back to I25 (slightly broader revamp, yes, push back the changes, not really).