ShadowPraxis

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Exactly. I was just marking time replying to people with real problems and watching this guy freak out.

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Indeed. States posted. The servers are back up. In before the threadlock and yadda yadda yadda. I'm done with this. Headed back into the game - see ya round, Clint (assuming we're on the same server ;P)

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But its perfectly plausible that a customer would look at that, scoff and return it. They doin't wanna wait until they get home from school/work on Monday. they want to play a game now. And they will return CoV and get another one.


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And again, displaying no knowledge of the fact that once software is open, it can only be returned if defective and even THEN, only for the same title. There is no "I didn't like it" clause or "The servers weren't up yet so I want my money back" clause in software retail. It's an anti-piracy measure, dontchaknow?

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I mean, at the time, I figured it makes sense. Releasing a game on a Friday is good business. Not only does it set you up for the weekend, but people have freer wallets on Fridays, because its a happy day.


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You say you used to work at a game store, yet time and again, you display no knowledge of how pre-orders work and when new games are released. Games are released the day they get instore 90% of the time. The 10% that are street dated for a different day are EXPLICTLY marked as such, usually backed up with a flurry of company e-mails in the days preceding telling the store to NOT sell it before X date, usually coinciding with some important event: Halloween for CoV. Star Wars Battlefront 2 is another example - it's marked to release the same day as the Episode 3 DVD - THAT is marketing, not this "Hey, Friday seems like a good day because it's 'happy day' and people have money" concept you latch onto.
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A mistake has been made, people can buy the game before PlayNC intended, and your solution is what? "Screw them"? "Its the retailers fault so guess it SUCKS to be you!"?

Pretend for a moment that its just you and me here, and you don't have a whole forum community to impress, and tell me why it is that these casual gamers should be locked out of a game they can legally purchase, who probably are unawares of this Headstart program?

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If the store broke street date, it wasn't 'legally purchased'. They broke an agreement with the software vendors. There's no two ways about it. Changing their whole launch strategy to let in a small handful of people who got the game early isn't just like flipping a switch on and off.

And trust me - I'm primarily a lurker here. I'm not trying to impress anybody with my forum e-wang. I just can't stand whiney people who feel they're entitled to ANYTHING beyond what they deserve. You didn't do your research (which was freely available in a NUMBER of places beyond these oh-so-hard-to-find forums), you miss out on TWO days. TWO! Anybody who freaks out and leaves because of a messup on the retailer's part wasn't likely going to stick around for more than a couple of months anyways - short attention spans being what they are...

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I mean, the Xbox is a system that appeals to ALL gamers.

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No it doesn't. it has more of a mainstream appeal to a wider range of gamers, but not to "ALL" gamers.

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Indeed. As mentioned before, I work at a game store and I can tell you that Xbox has its goodly share of people who can't stand it and want nothing to do with it. I can also tell you that the "It's my B-day/$50" crowd are a lot less likely to buy a game like CoV on a whim rather than a safe bet like say, a console game. Most computer gamers are a bit more well informed than you'd like to make them seem, boyo...

EDIT: Ooooh! The login server is up! Can we end this now? Everybody (who's in the headstart) come back to the game!

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Then, why don't you inform NCSoft of this particular store breaking the release date, and causing the problem that you've ran into? That way NCSoft can address the problem you're complaining about. Give them the store address and location, so they're made aware of it.

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That wouldn't do any good. They can't stop the retailer from selling the game now that the street date is broken. (And typically, its Wal-Mart that breaks street dates, or Best Buy. Large retailers are famous for it). All they can do now is make the choice:


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No, but it WOULD stop those unscrupulous rogues at Gamestop (or wherever you ordered it) from kicking anybody else's inner puppy by doing such a thing in the future. Think of all the potential customers you're not helping out by being so irresponsible.

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Keep the game locked for everyone but preorder customers until monday, or let the customers who are buying it right now play?

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ie: "Lemme in! I'm mad. Gimme what I want and gimme it NOW because I made an uninformed decision."

It's not hive-mind. It's not hungry wolves. It's not pre-order geeks. It's the fact that you can't accept culpability for your actions.

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I say again:

Why don't you PM a red name that gives damn. It's their company - let them worry about it, you nervous nelly.

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No, no, Clint. You have to do it four times in one post for him to grok the concept, I think.

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<insert more tissues and manly 3-pat hugs>

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Thank you for contributing to the discussion. You truly are a master of debate.

Look, do you guys even realize that the pre-order community is well within the minority, and the majority of gamers are not aware of this "headstart" program. All they know is they bought a game they can't play, and that is a major risk to lose potential customers. I'm gonna copy-paste that so we don't lose focus here.

Look, do you guys even realize that the pre-order community is well within the minority, and the majority of gamers are not aware of this "headstart" program. All they know is they bought a game they can't play, and that is a major risk to lose potential customers.

Look, do you guys even realize that the pre-order community is well within the minority, and the majority of gamers are not aware of this "headstart" program. All they know is they bought a game they can't play, and that is a major risk to lose potential customers.

Look, do you guys even realize that the pre-order community is well within the minority, and the majority of gamers are not aware of this "headstart" program. All they know is they bought a game they can't play, and that is a major risk to lose potential customers.

There. Discuss THAT. thats the point of the thread!

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Is that how we have to do this?

What part of "YOUR LOCAL RETAILER F'D UP BY SELLING IT EARLY" aren't you understanding? I called my local stores. None of them are selling it yet. If they were, I would have already gone and picked up my copy that I pre-ordered. You can't seem to wrap your brain around the fact that just because your local retailers broke street date (something that can get them into MASSIVE trouble, but being an ex-Gamestop employee, you'd know that already, right?) doesn't mean the rest of the country did. Sheesh...

What part of "YOUR LOCAL RETAILER F'D UP BY SELLING IT EARLY" aren't you understanding? I called my local stores. None of them are selling it yet. If they were, I would have already gone and picked up my copy that I pre-ordered. You can't seem to wrap your brain around the fact that just because your local retailers broke street date (something that can get them into MASSIVE trouble, but being an ex-Gamestop employee, you'd know that already, right?) doesn't mean the rest of the country did. Sheesh...

What part of "YOUR LOCAL RETAILER F'D UP BY SELLING IT EARLY" aren't you understanding? I called my local stores. None of them are selling it yet. If they were, I would have already gone and picked up my copy that I pre-ordered. You can't seem to wrap your brain around the fact that just because your local retailers broke street date (something that can get them into MASSIVE trouble, but being an ex-Gamestop employee, you'd know that already, right?) doesn't mean the rest of the country did. Sheesh...

What part of "YOUR LOCAL RETAILER F'D UP BY SELLING IT EARLY" aren't you understanding? I called my local stores. None of them are selling it yet. If they were, I would have already gone and picked up my copy that I pre-ordered. You can't seem to wrap your brain around the fact that just because your local retailers broke street date (something that can get them into MASSIVE trouble, but being an ex-Gamestop employee, you'd know that already, right?) doesn't mean the rest of the country did. Sheesh...

There - did that hammer home the fact that your problem is NOT a nationwide issue alienating casual gamers and is likely only occuring in an isolated handfull of cities that have boneheaded retailers yet?

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Look, I know its a GOOD marketing decision to let people play ahead of time if they pay a little extra or do a little something extra. Fine, whatever. But ONLY if you're not rubbing it in the face of everyone else who can now buy the game. If the retailers didn't start selling before monday, then everything would be peaches in cream. But its not a perfect world and this didn't happen, so what now?

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What part of "YOUR LOCAL RETAILER F'D UP BY SELLING IT EARLY" aren't you understanding? I called my local stores. None of them are selling it yet. If they were, I would have already gone and picked up my copy that I pre-ordered. You can't seem to wrap your brain around the fact that just because your local retailers broke street date (something that can get them into MASSIVE trouble, but being an ex-Gamestop employee, you'd know that already, right?) doesn't mean the rest of the country did. Sheesh...

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And to add:

I worked at Gamestop for two years, so I saw my fair share of game launches. Never, not ONCE, was a big game released on a Monday. Why? Because thats marketing SUICIDE.

Nobody wants to buy games on a Monday. Not a soul. Mondays are deadsville. Mondays are school nights and work nights. Go company in its right mind would release an entertainment product on a Monday. But thats niether here nor there.


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You're absolutely and totally right.

Most new games are released on Tuesdays or Wednesdays.

As are DVDs.

And CDs.

And as we all know, compared to Monday, Tues and Weds are non-stop Party Central. No worknights or schoolnights there, right? *Roll eyes*

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I'm sorry, but it's hard to drum up too much sympathy for you on this. You're blaming NC for a bad "marketing" decision when in the end, all it is is a lack of planning and research on your part.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but you're just bitter and you're lashing out and it's not winning anybody over to your argument.

I think working in retail for so long (as well as in a game store currently) has lowered my tolerance for the "I'm entitled" mindset to nil.

Sorry to rant. This just stuck in my craw this morning while I'm waiting for the login server to come back up....

We all have bad days, States - sometimes we come off pissy without meaning to or without even realizing it happens till after the fact. No biggie. Life goes on.

And despite my overall disappointment with the Stratics chat, I was ridiculously jazzed and grinning like a fanboy when one of my questions made it through to you. I even went so far as to screen cap the chat at that moment. Gawd, I'm such a ridiculous fanboy.

Oh, and Happy Birthday, belated as it may be!!

That won't be much of a problem, so long as she lands next to a group of baddies. They'll fix that 1% pretty quick.

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Hmmm... I click on "Click here to begin show" and I get "Loading (19MB)" and not much happens then.

Am I doing something wrong?

Or do I just need to wait a while?

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Depends on how fast your connection is and how long it takes you to d/l 19megs on average.

If you're on dial-up then yeah you'll be waiting a while - like say three hours. If you're on cable or the equiv, it could take as little as a minute to as much as a few minutes.

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In the new Mark Waid CoH comic, Synapse is a MA/SR scrapper.

In the game, he's an elec/elec blaster?

So which is right?

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What are you basing this MA/SR assumption on? I have the issue open in front of me. He even mentions in the scene where Sis and Manti come to see him:

"Once I got free, I could use the super-speed and the electrical powers to run away from the memory."

I don't see him tossing off roundhouse kicks or anything similar anywhere in the book. *Shrug*

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Poor Synapse. Figure scrappers to go charging ahead

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Couple quick FYIs:

1) Synapse is either a blaster or a defender (I forget which) since he's supposed to have electrical blasts.

2) To all those who keep saying Scirrocco has a katana, it's actually more of a scimitar/falchion style sword, which keeps with the middle eastern theme. Not that it matters Not as if they're gonna add a "Scimitar" scrapper set or anything when the mechanics would likely operate the same as the katana set. Just have to hold out for when custom powers come out I guess.

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