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Well, with this cogent argument I better go buy some asparagus and make up for my asparagus hating ways eh?

You could attempt to contribute something other than profanity and minor witticism you know.

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Gosh, I was going to try to respond and join the debate but I can't.

Wanna know why?

Apparently my forum avatar means I don't get to have an opinion.

<------------ see? Anime character. Oh, the horror!

Okay, in all seriousness... I like the addition of anime costumes. It's funny to say that, because when I make my heroes I usually design something that would be considered "classic" in western comics. Manga doesn't really factor into my creation process at all.

I am disappointed about trenchcoats though. Two reasons: 1) I think they would look really good on some of my characters and 2) So many folks have been asking for trenchcoats for a LOOONG time. Since beta. I just wish it was a higher priority for the devs. I do understand there may be some technical difficulties with it, but I honestly believe it could have been implemented by now if they made it a higher priority.

But I take all of this with a grain of salt. As someone else pointed out not all content will appeal to a single person all the time. So the costume options may not be what I had in mind. I don't see why that should be a big deal. It's certainly not something worth getting mildly upset about (IMO). I'm just stoked that there will be new costume options at all. They may not be what I had in mind, but they will please some people... that's always a good thing.

I'm also more relaxed about the upcoming costume additions because I know I might be wrong. It's entirely possible that the costumes, although anime inspired, will have a broad range of appeal. It's not like we're forced to give our heroes big eyes and odd colored hair. I may find something awesome in the new options and add it on to my characters.

The point is we just don't know yet. I understand, Backagain, that you have a very specific idea of what costume options you wanted to add. I did too. I think (and please ignore my avatar as I say this and actually listen to me) that it might be better than you expect. This does not mean "give anime a try and you'll warm up to it." This means "give the new costume options a try, they may not be so exclusivly anime style. They might appeal to non-anime fans as well."

Ah well, just a thought. Or group of thoughts. Okay, it was more of a ramble really. Sorry about that.

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You're not instantly disqualified for having an anime avatar.

I like Arucard, he has no middle gears. I can identify well with him.

The knighted androgenous female on the other hand....hrrm whats her name...I can't remember, its "something really odd" Von Hellsing. She bothers me a bit.

Regardless, liking anime doesn't disqualify you automatically from discussing the issue. I like some anime too...not all of it, but theres some I do like...I think I can unashamedly say that I think Love Hina is one of the prettiest love stories, wrapped up in comedy, that I've ever seen.

Irregardless, that doesn't mean I want to run around in CoH as Motoko or Kaolla Su either. (Though Kaolla Su, when I think about it, shouldn't just be a costume but a whole archtype in and of itself.)

And Skunk, listening is good. Ignore means intolerance, which is hypocritical by nature, choosing to listen again at least shows me that you are not, hypocritical, by nature.

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You can believe me if you like. I have nothing to gain or lose by covinving you or not. I'm perfectly calm myself, because I KNOW CoV will not steal from CoH's developement. Maybe just Statesman's post would somewhat decreas.

Honestly, I was expecting that was something everybody knew.

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Believing you is at odds with the carefully cultivated victim mentality that equates adding new anime/manga-inspired costume options with something nobody wanted.

I don't care if some people are so insular in their fandom that the idea of contamination from another vector makes them feel sad inside. I do find it sad that so many are willing to make demonstrably wrong generalizations about anime or manga as if eith were a genre and not a medium, and base these statements on maybe - if you're lucky - two or three dubbed/edited for US release anime series.

I submit that the primary reason most of the naysayers are saying nay is not the quality of the source material, it's that the source material is alien to them.

For the record, my avatar comes from City of Heroes. I, for one, welcome our new anime costume overlords.

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Wow what an absolutely hateful reply.

I'm the troll though. Don't forget. I'm the one making confrontational statements and trolling.

Irony at its fullest.

I'm glad you like anime. I don't have much use for it. I've seen some series that I like...I've seen others that I don't.

If I wanted to play an anime game I'd play Ragnarok Online. I'm not down on it because its alien. I'm down on it because it adds nothing to this game in my opinion.

Like I need more half naked school girls and cat girls running around in the game. I've already got enough of those to make me literally ill considering the fact that I know pretty much all of them are men. This is somehow a positive thing?

Maybe to you. And I'm not saying you're predisposed to furries and carefully androgenous sexy heros either. I don't presume to know you.

But you sure seem to have no problem doing that to me.

You are a hateful person Kali. You've never said anything nice in response to anything I've posted. You take disagreement personally. And I'd appreciate it if you just kept out of my posts from here on out.

Abuse is not a right.

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If it wasn't premature you couldn't smugly claim precognitive knowledge of what is undoubtedly going to happen when it releases...

And really I'd love to have a flashback to all the pre-I3 apocalyptic talk and dire prognostications, just to see how much of it was really justified.

I guess such threads are just inevitable.

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On the other hand, I didn't have much bad to say about I3 in total. I was concerned where Invulnerability was going to go but I didn't have much to say about it because I stopped tanking last year after the provoke nerf.

I3 mostly looked pretty good to me, even the invuln changes looked like they could be good....other than Invincibility's total loss of ranged defense. So I didn't have much to say about it other than "Wow, I left 7 months ago and you were balancing tankers, I come back and you're still balancing tankers...what a game."

I don't doom cry as a rule. This isn't what I'd call doomsaying, because I don't think I4 will be bad at all. I'm just concerned that we're going to be dissapointed with the costume options is all. I personally have a ton of costume stuff I want, if you want my opinion the efforts of an entire content update should go into upgrading and improving the entire character creation system...I4 seems to take a step in that direction, but the step seems sort of...tenative. Body scaling is a good thing, new costumes is a good thing...but the entire system is already good...it needs to be focused on and taken to the point of absolutely outstanding.

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RE: Trenchcoats

I'm sure animating them is a pain, they'd have to move and flap in the wind like a cape, to some degree.

I hope if they ever add trenchcoats it's a choice between that or a cape. Because you know if it's not there are going to be characters with a trenchcoat and a cape. And that would just look strange.

I'm looking forward to any new clothes options, if there's nothing I like, big deal. There's a lot I don't like now, hasn't stopped me from playing or having alt-itis.

The only things I'd really like to see eventually are:
A nice worn, leather bomber jacket
Longer skirts
Other female shoe options besides the one with the ankle strap. IE: sneakers, pumps like some NPCs wear, sandals. Why on earth would I want to wear capris with ankle strap heels?

(Hey Cryptic, hire some women to design female costumes )

But when all is said and done, I'm really not going to complain about something that is free .

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I'd like some new hairstyles as well. My female heroes are on strike because they're tired of the same four options.

And maybe some higher poly looks. I mean really, low poly hair is so 20th century. Maybe something that moves even.

I agree on the shoes, everythings dominatrix or just trick it seems.

I'd say, the most problematic thing for me is that this is something I can fix for myself. But they won't let me fix it. They've made it against the rules to make my own clothes, so I have to wait for them to give me some. I'm sure not everyone can do this, and that doesn't make me any better than anyone else...just a frustrating point for me because I could very well take care of my own desire for new outfits and not bother them at all...but its against the rules...so I don't.

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At least to me it is. I don't speak for everyone, of course.

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Nice of you to finally clarify that.

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Is this barb really necessary?

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Yeah, because I think that a lot of your "opinions" are not phrased as such. You seem to be a fairly intelligent person, so you're more than capable of expressing yourself in a less confrontational and off-putting manner.

Regardless, I'm sure some more effort will be put into CoV...closer to its launch...which won't be for quite awhile, since it hasn't even gone to beta yet, as far as I'm aware. So there might be a larger gap than normal between updates...but it's doubtful it will be the virtual abyss you were suggesting.

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I don't purposefully present myself confrontationally.

People disagree with me and somehow take it personally when I debate their viewpoints with my own.

Anyways I could go through this thread and point out all the times that I've said "I don't think its bad that we're getting anime costumes...." and "this is only my opinion" and "well this is what I think." and "I'm not saying you're wrong." and "its possible that I could be wrong."

So exactly how subserviant to I have to be to not be confrontational? Because thats apparently what you want. You want me to not argue my point of view at all. You want me to not say anything if someone posts with an opposing viewpoint apparently.

Because thats apparently all I could do to not be seen as confrontational. Because I've already gone out of my way to try to NOT be confrontational and to ensure people know that I'm just expressing my thoughts and views.

So, I don't think the problem is so much what I'm saying or how I say it...but in how you choose to hear it. And on a forum thats simply rife with trolls, I can see why you'd be so defensive to start...and given the fact that my name alone seems to rate a one star rating for everything I post, I can see why you'd come in with the predisposed notion that I'm being confrontational.

Ah well, damned if you do, damned if you don't as they say.

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At least to me it is. I don't speak for everyone, of course.

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Nice of you to finally clarify that.

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Is this barb really necessary?

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I'm no fan of anime myself. I probably won't use them, either. But I will flip through them, and who knows? Maybe I'll like some elements. Maybe they won't be as anime-ish as we've been led to believe. I'm certainly not going to fault Cryptic for giving something to a part of the fanbase that is clearly in CoH, even if it's not my personal cup of tea.

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Theres always a good chance that some of it will be usable in combination with other pieces we already have. I'm not writing that off.

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Besides, there are a lot of new features that will come in this release, including the body scaling, which also gives us more options when it comes to our hero's design.

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I agree totally with this, the body scaling system is long awaited, I really hope it is as in depth as I hope it is, giving us something of the control we had on characters in SWG, with CoH models...that would be most excellent indeed. I'm not knocking it at all.

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There's going something for everyone in Issue 4. And I very seriously doubt that we'll be waiting until this time next year for our next update.

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The body scaling system would count as something for everyone, to be sure. But I'd still like new clothes. I've only waited since release for them pretty patiently and all.

And we may not see a slow down in content updates between now and CoV....like I said I was just speculating against their development deadlines and assuming that they'd likely throw all their resources behind getting CoV released on time. They may be able to do that without cutting content upgrades down for awhile. Some folks have indicated that they've hired a whole new team to handle CoV development...this is something that I wasn't aware of personally. Though even then I can see them putting more and more of their total resources behind CoV's development as we get closer to the fall. But thats just me.

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You started off saying that there's all these people with anime-inspired avatars telling us to have faith in the new options.

In a later post, you say that Cryptic is doing this in an effort to attract anime fans that the game doesn't currently have, and that the options aren't "for us."

Aren't you making two seperate arguments that are mutually exclusive?

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Not really, but I can see how you could creatively come to that conclusion for the purpose of argument.

I've said several times in this post that there is a section of the current community that would benefit from an all anime costume update. I'm just saying that that style translates more largely to the asian market and would make CoH, overall, more acceptable in them.

Yes there are people currently playing that will heavily enjoy the anime style. I have not, at any point, denied that. All I'm saying is that theres also people that currently play that have no interest in it and it leaves them with nothing gained.

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Not every update will give something to everyone.
They added a Maple-Leaf to the costume options some time ago, that doesen't help non-canadians much (I still want my three crowns!)

I've no use for Kheldians, as I'm barely halfway to level 50.
Etc. etc. If you don't want stuff, don't use it. Simple as that. Just because I won't use a particular set of added content doesen't mean that content isn't good.

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This is of course, a good statement. But I think when we come to something as intensely personal as new costumes you have to look at it.

So the Canadians got a Maple Leaf...thats great. I've got no real problem with that because I've got a ton of chest emblems and I almost never use one anyways.

Entire costume upgrades have been what people have more or less asked for, hoping to see them in nearly every update so far. They've been put off as low priority since release.

Costumes are our characters. The ability to be new and different all the time is what makes the game so good in the first place. The problem is the current options are largely worn out. New ones at this point in the game would be highly welcomed by everyone I'd think.

Kheldians don't matter much to me because I never get to 50 anyways, maple leafs aren't that big a deal because its just one item.

A whole update of anime stuff though is different. Its hard to ignore the fact that one of the biggest things you wanted is coming in a fashion in of which you won't use it.

At least to me it is. I don't speak for everyone, of course.

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Point is, I'm pretty sure you'll get your content in time. "He who waits for something good never waits to long" eh? The point is, just becuase *you* or someone else isn't getting exactly what you want right now that doesen't mean the decision is bad.

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I just may get my content in time. My concern is that it won't be until sometime next year after all the CoV issues have been ironed out.

I could very well get my content in Issue 4, because I could be wrong and there could be tons of stuff in there thats not all Pikachu and Love Hina and DBZ.

But if I4 is all anime, that means its going to be a very long time indeed before I get my content. And patience in internet and most especially MMO terms, is about 90 days really.

Regardless, I'll keep playing the game, because its the only one I really like. But you can't blame me for making my case for what I'd like to see in a costume update. If roles were reversed you'd possibly do the same thing.

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Regardless, this is a forum. Its about opinions on CoH, this is an opinion on CoH. You are not required to agree with me on it. No one is. I'm not telling people that anime costumes are wrong and we shouldn't have them. I'm just saying that waiting a year for a bunch of stuff you won't use is disappointing.

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O...K... where to begin...

First: you are trolling people respond to that, it is how some people get there e-jollies, I'm not judging.

Second: It very likely will not be a year before we see Issue 6, but I can't prove it, and you can't prove it will be year... see point one.

Third: If we are not required to agree with you... why do you have to lash out at everyone with a desenting oppinion?

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I'm not lashing out. I'm debating. Theres a difference.

I'm also not trolling.

I say something, someone proffers their opinion on what I've said, I analyze what they've said and give my counter point that supports my view.

I'm not sure what constitutes "not trolling" in your opinion. Maybe if I totally backed off all my views and just said "Oh...I'm sorry, you're all right and I am wrong....sorry for bothering you." that would make me not a troll?

I'm not trolling people. I'm discussing my viewpoint with them. I don't mind if they don't think the same as me, or don't agree with me...because thats how good discussion occurs. If everyone agrees with you...theres nothing to discuss.

You seem to think that I'm being hateful or vicious to people when I'm not doing anything of the sort. I'm simply supporting my viewpoints against theirs.

What, exactly, about that, is trolling?

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You started off saying that there's all these people with anime-inspired avatars telling us to have faith in the new options.

In a later post, you say that Cryptic is doing this in an effort to attract anime fans that the game doesn't currently have, and that the options aren't "for us."

Aren't you making two seperate arguments that are mutually exclusive?

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Not really, but I can see how you could creatively come to that conclusion for the purpose of argument.

I've said several times in this post that there is a section of the current community that would benefit from an all anime costume update. I'm just saying that that style translates more largely to the asian market and would make CoH, overall, more acceptable in them.

Yes there are people currently playing that will heavily enjoy the anime style. I have not, at any point, denied that. All I'm saying is that theres also people that currently play that have no interest in it and it leaves them with nothing gained.

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Not every update will give something to everyone.
They added a Maple-Leaf to the costume options some time ago, that doesen't help non-canadians much (I still want my three crowns!)

I've no use for Kheldians, as I'm barely halfway to level 50.
Etc. etc. If you don't want stuff, don't use it. Simple as that. Just because I won't use a particular set of added content doesen't mean that content isn't good.

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This is of course, a good statement. But I think when we come to something as intensely personal as new costumes you have to look at it.

So the Canadians got a Maple Leaf...thats great. I've got no real problem with that because I've got a ton of chest emblems and I almost never use one anyways.

Entire costume upgrades have been what people have more or less asked for, hoping to see them in nearly every update so far. They've been put off as low priority since release.

Costumes are our characters. The ability to be new and different all the time is what makes the game so good in the first place. The problem is the current options are largely worn out. New ones at this point in the game would be highly welcomed by everyone I'd think.

Kheldians don't matter much to me because I never get to 50 anyways, maple leafs aren't that big a deal because its just one item.

A whole update of anime stuff though is different. Its hard to ignore the fact that one of the biggest things you wanted is coming in a fashion in of which you won't use it.

At least to me it is. I don't speak for everyone, of course.

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*** You are ignoring this user ***

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And it's even funnier the second time around.

To the rest of you, I'd reccomend not arguing with him. Just smile and nod, and move on to a more constructive thread.

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I'd suggest you take your own advice hypocrite.

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CURSES!! ....id ignore you because you make my brain hurt on this issue but I agree with you to often on other matters .... ...but if you like or use any of the new costume options you owe me a cookie

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I'd say the ignore option is the digital equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and going "lalalalala".

And quite possibly just as mature.

Regardless, this is a forum. Its about opinions on CoH, this is an opinion on CoH. You are not required to agree with me on it. No one is. I'm not telling people that anime costumes are wrong and we shouldn't have them. I'm just saying that waiting a year for a bunch of stuff you won't use is dissapointing.

If I do end up using it, I'll be sure to send off a box of grandma's finest. You can be sure.

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Well, I thought it was funny...

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Some people think knock knock jokes are still funny. Judging from your attitude you're probably one of them.

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I just cant believe that there wont be anything that is going to trip your trigger when the new costume stuff comes out ...people are ragging on new free stuff just because someone put the word anime in it ... good lord maybe if this is how we re going to react everytime they try to implement something they should stop putting things like that in the game ...(would be counterproductive though) and I realize its only a few people on the message boards and the great majority of people who dont even come here will probably love / not even care one way or the other about the new costume options .... ah screw it ... i cant believe ive typed this much on it.... you all enjoy your pity party im going to enjoy the new content.

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Absolutely agree. Just, what does this have to do with me? I'm absolutely for it, anime or not. I've been making an [censored] out of myself to drive that point home

But really, it's the same with EVERY expansion. For I2 it was capes, for I3 it was the boss changes and Invulnerability. For I4 it will be costume options. People just need to complain. Better that they stay on the boards complaining than coplaining in-game over broadcast.

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yeah i know ...and I really shouldnt let it get to me but it seems so damned ungrateful ... because they DO NOT have to do things like this for us ... EQ is huge and they charge 30-40 bucks everytime an expansion comes out .... Coh could just as easily combine 2 or 3 issues and then charge 30-40 bucks for em

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No. As I said before. You are wrong.

They do have to do it for us because they said they would.

If they suddenly stop doing it, they've broken their promise to their customers.

Free content updates were part of the games sales pitch since before the game was even released.

Yes EQ charges for expansions. Part of CoH's appeal to the MMO customer base is that Cryptic would do the same thing for free.

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That doesen't mean you have to like it.
They *do* offer you new content, as per their promise, if you don't want to take advantage of it then that's your problem.

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Yes, heres a good example of what I'm talking about.

Anime style avatar.

Basic statement of "Deal with it." While quite obviously, this person is getting what they want.

You don't care that someone else might be dissapointed because you are not. I on the other hand, are more considerate of people around me, so I do care that some people might be dissapointed.

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You started off saying that there's all these people with anime-inspired avatars telling us to have faith in the new options.

In a later post, you say that Cryptic is doing this in an effort to attract anime fans that the game doesn't currently have, and that the options aren't "for us."

Aren't you making two seperate arguments that are mutually exclusive?

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Not really, but I can see how you could creatively come to that conclusion for the purpose of argument.

I've said several times in this post that there is a section of the current community that would benefit from an all anime costume update. I'm just saying that that style translates more largely to the asian market and would make CoH, overall, more acceptable in them.

Yes there are people currently playing that will heavily enjoy the anime style. I have not, at any point, denied that. All I'm saying is that theres also people that currently play that have no interest in it and it leaves them with nothing gained.

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I just cant believe that there wont be anything that is going to trip your trigger when the new costume stuff comes out ...people are ragging on new free stuff just because someone put the word anime in it ... good lord maybe if this is how we re going to react everytime they try to implement something they should stop putting things like that in the game ...(would be counterproductive though) and I realize its only a few people on the message boards and the great majority of people who dont even come here will probably love / not even care one way or the other about the new costume options .... ah screw it ... i cant believe ive typed this much on it.... you all enjoy your pity party im going to enjoy the new content.

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Absolutely agree. Just, what does this have to do with me? I'm absolutely for it, anime or not. I've been making an [censored] out of myself to drive that point home

But really, it's the same with EVERY expansion. For I2 it was capes, for I3 it was the boss changes and Invulnerability. For I4 it will be costume options. People just need to complain. Better that they stay on the boards complaining than coplaining in-game over broadcast.

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yeah i know ...and I really shouldnt let it get to me but it seems so damned ungrateful ... because they DO NOT have to do things like this for us ... EQ is huge and they charge 30-40 bucks everytime an expansion comes out .... Coh could just as easily combine 2 or 3 issues and then charge 30-40 bucks for em

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No. As I said before. You are wrong.

They do have to do it for us because they said they would.

If they suddenly stop doing it, they've broken their promise to their customers.

Free content updates were part of the games sales pitch since before the game was even released.

Yes EQ charges for expansions. Part of CoH's appeal to the MMO customer base is that Cryptic would do the same thing for free.

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I just cant believe that there wont be anything that is going to trip your trigger when the new costume stuff comes out ...people are ragging on new free stuff just because someone put the word anime in it ... good lord maybe if this is how we re going to react everytime they try to implement something they should stop putting things like that in the game ...(would be counterproductive though) and I realize its only a few people on the message boards and the great majority of people who dont even come here will probably love / not even care one way or the other about the new costume options .... ah screw it ... i cant believe ive typed this much on it.... you all enjoy your pity party im going to enjoy the new content.

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Absolutely agree. Just, what does this have to do with me? I'm absolutely for it, anime or not. I've been making an [censored] out of myself to drive that point home

But really, it's the same with EVERY expansion. For I2 it was capes, for I3 it was the boss changes and Invulnerability. For I4 it will be costume options. People just need to complain. Better that they stay on the boards complaining than coplaining in-game over broadcast.

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I'm not complaining. I'm speculating.

This is a hot issue for me because its one of the top 5 things I've wanted to see in the game since release. So of course I'm going to ruminate about it.

I'm going to analyze it and look at what is presented and wonder what is going to come of it.

Not because I just "have to complain" but because it is important to me.

New costumes would make the game better for me. But if they're largely things I won't use...its like the armored options or the suit coat or baggy shirts we already have. Meaningless curiosities that I won't use because they don't fit my personal style.

Like I said, I'm not complaining. I'm not saying "no anime plz" I'm just concerned that after a year of desperately hoping for costume upgrades that I'm going to end up dissapointed.

And anyways people are throwing the "hundreds of new options" around as if it means something....it really doesn't. Because each costume set right now is arguably at least 7 different options by itself. So "hundreds of new options" could invariably mean 14 new outfits...all of them "anime inspired".

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Well Statesman's already confirmed that theres no trenchcoat that its still in the que.

I begin to wonder what "latest styles from all around the world" really means. First they say "anime inspired costume options", then they say "latest styles from all around the world"...and then they say "no trenchcoat, still in the que."

Uh okay. So this update is basically all anime then.

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I have to admit being unable to following your logic.
The statements regarding the new clothes options so far are:

there's going to be hundreds of new options from styles all around the world.
there's going to be a sizeable selection of anime inspired clothes to chose from
there is not going to be any trenchcoats in this update.

I fail to see how statement number three translates into: there's only going to be anime costumes.
Nobody even said there is going to be anime costumes. It is likely but so far we only know for sure that some of the new options are going to be inspired by anime. And we still have to wait before we can find out which anime.
Is it going to be Sailor Moon? Vampire Hunter D? Gundam? Any of the thousands of other anime titles?

Also, how do you come to the conclusion that everybody not in Japan wears trenchcoats? Because that is what you are effectively saying when you make that rather impressive jump to your conclusion.

Personally? I would like to see skirts, but do not expect them because that would require extensive modeling with all the fight animations that would have to be redone.
I also would like to see more street clothes, and a better selection of comfortable women's shoes. And perhaps a sit pose that I can use without flashing the room.
However, I will wait to see what actually is in the next update and realise that anything that is added is a gift from the developers, not something I am somehow entitled to because I would like to see it. Other games charge for the privelege of new 'races', new customisation and new zones and stories to explore. Here you get them for free because the developers are just that nice. Not having some options we would like to see in no way diminishes our playing this game. Perhaps it is time we all stop acting as if it does.

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No. I'm not saying its going to diminish my playing of the game.

What I'm saying is it won't increase it either.

Its entirely possible these "hundreds of new options" theres something other than anime inspired new outfits in it.

But they haven't said that. "hottest new styles from around the world" is purposefully ambiguous and I believe its a damage control statement to counter the "anime inspired" statement from the PCG article.

Hottest new styles from around the world could mean alot of things. But I don't believe for a minute that means Prada is going to be making a visit to Icon.

Now trenchcoats aren't strictly western in nature. Arucard in Hellsing wears one...thats quite obviously anime. But regardless, trenchcoats are seen as a western item worn by western heros, Punisher, Neo....Dick Tracy (Wow, I'm old).

So...my logic isn't hard to follow if you look at the availible evidence.

We've seen an eastern style costume. We've had a statement that confirms "anime inspired" costumes. And we've had a statement that confirms that one well requested item that is arguably western, is not being added.

Given the availible evidence of what we've seen, that means everything is anime inspired. Because what we've seen leans more towards that than the possibilities of non-anime inspired costumes.

Its simply speculation, its all I can do because Cryptic isn't the dev houses name by accident.

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I won't lie to you, I don't have any red name post to prove it. But unless you call me a liar, I'm teling you that I've seen red names say that thing on at least 2 separate occasions, and I don't come to the boards that often, nor do I read long threads.

You can believe me if you like. I have nothing to gain or lose by covinving you or not. I'm perfectly calm myself, because I KNOW CoV will not steal from CoH's developement. Maybe just Statesman's post would somewhat decreas.

Honestly, I was expecting that was something everybody knew.

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I knew that in the case of SOE's expansions because they had whole dev teams assigned to expansions.

Cryptic just doesn't have those numbers. And as a hobbiest developer myself, all I can say is that I think, given my estimation of the size Cryptics developer pool...that they'd almost have to buckle down and focus singularly on CoV to ensure it meets its projected release of Fall 2006.

If they've got a bunch of new people that I'm unaware of, then its possible they've got a whole sub division of their company working on CoV...but still as the speculated release date comes closer and closer they'll have to focus more and more of their people on it to make sure they meet the date.

To me, that makes it look like I4 could potentially be the last free content update til post CoV, I could be wrong of course, but thats what it looks like when I think it over.

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I hate anime, but I'm looking forward to the "Eastern" style costumes that were lacking in the game before. However, I don't think that all the new costume options will be entirely anime inspired. I'm hoping to see some non-anime costume options thrown into the mix as well.

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I am hoping this as well. I'm just speculating against the worst case scenario is all.

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Thats the only thing that bugs me. People have wanted Trenchcoats probably as long as they wanted capes, and the best objections people could come up with is "Boo, I hate Matrix!"

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Well, there's the dev's objection, which goes something along the lines of "Hell To Animate".

I could be wrong.

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Not so much hell to animate as they are hard to incorporate into current meshes without clipping issues.

They've got capes animated, trench coats wouldn't be much harder.

But ensuring people aren't wearing half their trench in their pants is another issue entirely.

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Out of interest... have we seen what exactly these new costume updates are?

Largely because I'm wondering if it's possible to think of them not as "anime costumes" but as "new costumes".

I only remember seeing that Chinese shirt, which I believe is not anime-exclusive.

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I'll agree that we haven't seen enough yet. And to be totally frank we can't make a final judgement until the product is released.

The chinese formal shirt we've seen is just that, technically anime inspired...not exactly something even the Chinese wear today beyond traditional occasions...and not generally very heroic except when last seen in 5 Dragon Heroes of Wu Chen Lai...in a dubbed kung fu movie on the USA channel.

What I think I'm confused about is CoH has had a year of heavy support from the US fanbase. And we've asked about new costumes since release. And what its looking like is the only new costumes we're going to get are to ingratiate the game with a potential customer base that the company hasn't even tapped yet...but plans to soon.

I mean who are they really rewarding there except themselves? Sure an anime style, or eastern style might benefit a certain type of western fan, or a few currently played katana and martial arts scrappers. But if what we've seen is the weathervane of what is in total...then this costume update isn't about rewarding us at all...its about exploiting a new market and thats it.

And thats sad. A whole year of people clamoring for more costumes...and what we're seeing isn't what we wanted.

Its sort of like getting the wal-mart bike at X-Mas because Dad spent too much money at the casino and had to scrimp to even get that. Sure the wal-mart bike looks like a bike, rides like a bike...but its not the bike you wanted.

Anyways I'm not trying to tell anyone they're wrong, or that they shouldn't like the idea of anime costumes...I'm just trying to point out that new costumes have been pretty high on the wish list for a long time and they've mostly been ignored, and for all intents and purposes..they're still being ignored.

These costume updates aren't for us. They're for Cryptic's sales numbers.

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How many times must it be stated in large golden capital letters that THE TEAM THAT'S MAKING COH IS NOT THE TEAM MAKING COV AND THE LAUNCH OF COV WILL NOT MEAN LESS ATTENTION FOR COH

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Proof please. This is the first time I've seen that statement in "LARGE GOLD CAPITAL LETTERS" and you made it, so I'd prefer to see colloborative posts supporting it. I rather think the people making CoV are the same team that made CoH. Because Cryptic is not SOE and they do not have a large warehouse of slave developers they can spread the work around to.

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gonna have to go with the man in the paper bag here ....the only way I could consider the costume changes naysayers having any sort of viable complaint is if they were taking out some of the costume options we already have .... they basically just giving us more ...for nothing ... we have done nothing to deserve this magnamanious gesture on theyre part ...they are simply "GIVING" us more options to use as we will or won't ....and for the haters ....
http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date=last (granted its a video game referance but the concept is basically the same)

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So you're saying they don't have to give us anything? I sort of disagree on that part, it was pretty much a stated goal of the development team, even before CoH went live, that the game would constantly recieve new content for free, except major expansions. In fact I remember an interview where "regular content updates" were compared with EQ expansions and that the only time a player would have to pay for a content update would be if a major game changing expansion was released (I.E. CoV).

So if they don't give us anything at all, they're not living up to their guarantee.

And if they only give us things that a certain section of the community can use, they're not living up to it either.

I mean I can understand that its nice to get anything. Its nice that they do content updates for free. The problem is...how do you go for a year, collecting forum data, looking at the frequency of requests for new costumes...and then take a year to add anything..and then add something that only say...a third (just a number, no facts there, just using it for hypothetical purposes) of the community wants?

I'm not saying "no anime plz", I'm saying "anime is fine, but could we have some non-anime stuff too? sort of like alot of people have been asking about since the first update?"

I mean really, this "You're lucky you get anything" mindset isn't very realistic, given the broad guarantees of free new content for the life of the game.

And yes I realize that that means that maybe, someday, we'll get new costume options that everyone will be happy with. But like I surmised, do you really want to wait til 2006 for them?

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Who cares?

New costumes = good thing

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I think you're quite missing the point.

I personally have been waiting for new costume options since release. I'm dying to use new costume options.

So, we get a bunch of anime stuff, which I'm sure will make a section of the community desperately happy, and then we're off into heavy CoV development time.

I mean thats the time table. You folks aren't really looking at their development time table.

Its been a year since we had new costumes. If in a year, we only get a bunch of stuff I won't use...I have effectively not gotten anything I'd use after waiting a year.

And do you really think theres going to be a serious content update after Issue 4 before CoV releases? I doubt it seriously. Cryptic is a small house. They'll need the spring and summer to do some serious crunch time to make sure they meet their projected CoV release date.

Issue 5, in my opinion..is a long way off, somewhere around next January.

So Issue 4 is technically the last free update we'll see til after CoV is live.

So once again, I'm just saying, new costume options have been in the top 5 of my wish list for a long time. If we don't get anything I'd use...it means I potentially won't get anything until CoV or even 2006.

Thats bad news man. Seriously. Anime costume options helps a section of the player base. Not the entire player base. Its like free content for a certain genre of fan and thats it.