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Wow, what a pile of dog crap did NC step into by announcing this lol.

Hopefully by seeing the amount of negativity it's caused, they will reverse their decision to make it ONLY available to attendees of PAX and make it available to all via purchase in the NC store.

I see that as the only logical outcome here where NC can save face with their customers.

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I'm not paying $15/month for non in-game items so I don't feel that it's my right or priviledge to expect to be able to attain those items for free.

I am however paying $15/month and have been for over 4 years now and if something is made available in-game, I feel like it should be made available to all someway or another.

Going to a convention on the west coast is not one of those ways. Either make this a future vet reward or be able to purchase it like the Wedding Pack.

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I pay my 15 bucks a month too and feel the Dev's should code me a pony while in game Signature characters follow me around and do all my fighting for me, but that doesen't mean its going to happen, nor that it's any less rediculous for me to expect it to happen either.

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Now you are just arguing for arguments sake and sounding like a buffoon or worse a shill for NC.

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No, I'm arguing because this "Ohmygod! NCSoft is giving something out that I can't get! THEY ARE EVIL NAZI'S WHO KICK PUPPIES AND HATE RAINBOWS AND HAPPINESS!" crap is getting old.

I'd be a lot more sympathetic if people were simply going "I wish I could attend PAX and get this hardsuit, but I can't. Is it possible it might be made available some other way in the future?" rather then what we are getting now which is "The Dev's are showing favoritism to the west coast! How dare they give this out, and they are bad people for it! I hate you, NCSoft!"

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They are obviously showing favoritism since they have never attended an east coast convention and have no plans to in the near future.

Besides I already said they should make this item available to everyone by either making it a future vet reward or by purchase through the NC store. That way people that want it but can't attend this con will be able to get it if they want it.

Look at it this way...people have paid to go to the con and are getting this item for free. People that can't attend will pay to get this item from the NC store. NC wins and so do players. I don't understand why you would be against this other than to be against it for arguments sake.

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I'm not paying $15/month for non in-game items so I don't feel that it's my right or priviledge to expect to be able to attain those items for free.

I am however paying $15/month and have been for over 4 years now and if something is made available in-game, I feel like it should be made available to all someway or another.

Going to a convention on the west coast is not one of those ways. Either make this a future vet reward or be able to purchase it like the Wedding Pack.

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I pay my 15 bucks a month too and feel the Dev's should code me a pony while in game Signature characters follow me around and do all my fighting for me, but that doesen't mean its going to happen, nor that it's any less rediculous for me to expect it to happen either.

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Now you are just arguing for arguments sake and sounding like a buffoon or worse a shill for NC.

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ok not to sound like an [censored] but this exclusive stuff is getting to be a bit ridiculous. first I love the CoX game and have been a log time player. I understand that giving something away special to people to attend these events but are you planning on releasing these to the rest of the community after x amount of time has passed, like as a costume pack kind of like the wedding pack?

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Oh yes. Because god forbid, there be something neat out there that not all of us can get.

Because, y'know, I've been a long time player too. And I have no way of going to PAX, even though I want that Hardsuit. But I don't have this level of entitlement that makes me feel like if I can't have everything, then it shouldn't be in the game.

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Making something available to people that are just by chance close geographically so that they can attend this event, or have enough time and/or money to go there is not a good way to promote the game.

You run the risk of alienating alot of your current subscribers which it seems has happened based on the posts here.

I live on the east coast and as such can not attend this event without flying there. I could afford it but it's not high on my list of things to do with $1500 for a plane ticket and then extra for accomodations/food.

Besides, what makes those people so much more special than us? Why not give away some free swag or the like instead of giving something away for FREE that the majority of us can not ever get now? Is my $15/month not good enough? Why is someone on the west coasts $15/month better than mine?

I say make this costume item available to everyone for free and give the lucky few that can attend this convention something other than an in-game item. Doing otherwise just pisses off alot of people.

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And what about those people that want whatever non-in game item but can't afford to go to the events? By your logic, maybe they shouldn't have those there either because people on the east coast can't get them?

Oh wait, that's right... It's only a bad thing when its something that you personally want.

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I'm not paying $15/month for non in-game items so I don't feel that it's my right or priviledge to expect to be able to attain those items for free.

I am however paying $15/month and have been for over 4 years now and if something is made available in-game, I feel like it should be made available to all someway or another.

Going to a convention on the west coast is not one of those ways. Either make this a future vet reward or be able to purchase it like the Wedding Pack.

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ok not to sound like an [censored] but this exclusive stuff is getting to be a bit ridiculous. first I love the CoX game and have been a log time player. I understand that giving something away special to people to attend these events but are you planning on releasing these to the rest of the community after x amount of time has passed, like as a costume pack kind of like the wedding pack?

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Oh yes. Because god forbid, there be something neat out there that not all of us can get.

Because, y'know, I've been a long time player too. And I have no way of going to PAX, even though I want that Hardsuit. But I don't have this level of entitlement that makes me feel like if I can't have everything, then it shouldn't be in the game.

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Making something available to people that are just by chance close geographically so that they can attend this event, or have enough time and/or money to go there is not a good way to promote the game.

You run the risk of alienating alot of your current subscribers which it seems has happened based on the posts here.

I live on the east coast and as such can not attend this event without flying there. I could afford it but it's not high on my list of things to do with $1500 for a plane ticket and then extra for accomodations/food.

Besides, what makes those people so much more special than us? Why not give away some free swag or the like instead of giving something away for FREE that the majority of us can not ever get now? Is my $15/month not good enough? Why is someone on the west coasts $15/month better than mine?

I say make this costume item available to everyone for free and give the lucky few that can attend this convention something other than an in-game item. Doing otherwise just pisses off alot of people.

Sweet!

Great work as usual. Can't wait until my commission is done. I'm very anxious to see your take on him.

Welcome back and I hope that family issue is settled. I know how those things can affect you both mentally and physically. They can sometimes take a terrible toll.

However on a positive note, great new artwork! I am eagerly awaiting my commissioned piece as well.

Figures I'll be away on vacation for this one. Just like the last one! GRRRR!

I wish they'd call me and see when I was taking my vacation so they could plan it so that I can make it.

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Hehehe kinda funny how the NSFW list is getting the 'most' attention

But either way, this is still the coolest thing I've ever seen on the art forum!!

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I agree! This is very cool of all the great artists whose work I've admired for a long time now have come together to help right a wrong.

These guys will have some good karma for a long time, lol.

Anyone need proof from me since my characters name isn't on the queue list for MMO Art? If so let me know and I can provide a copy of my PayPal receipt.

No biggie.

Ok, I have two characters I was going to have done eventually by Gil so I'll leave it up to the artists to choose from the screenies below which they would like to do for me.

SlaveDawg I'll leave it to you to choose which you would rather work on;

Zal-El

or

Darque Fyre

Zal-El is my WP/SS Tank (think Superman) and Darque is my Fire/Dark Corruptor.

Feel free to pick the one that inspires you the most to work on and we can iron out the details.

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Technoviking by who?

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Technoviking started the original MMOart thread, and Slavedawg has volunteered to pick him up. I don't know what character/name he is on the list you posted above.

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I haven't yet decided if I want to go with my original toon I was getting done by MMO Art or a new one I've created so that's why my toons name hasn't been posted yet.

Oh and Douglas I'd love to commission you to do a piece if you are still taking orders. We spoke a couple years ago about it but for whatever reason it just didn't happen.

Also Juggy I'd love to get you to do a piece for me too.

So many great artists, not enough money for them all. As I get more disposable cash, I'll get others to do works for me.

Anyone wanna have a go at my piece that I was having done by MMO Art? Let me know.

You can do me!

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I'm not listed in the queue but I did put down a 50% deposit for a piece.

I'm going to assume that there are numerous people like me in the same situation.

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Since it seems I'll never get my commission from Gil now , any artists out there wanna give it a go? Send me a PM if you have the time and we can arrange something.

Thanks!

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Ehhh as much as I enjoy Dramah , this is rapidly becoming a lynching complete with lynchmob and folks bringing their kids out solely for the festivities .

There is a point where we just move on,I think we hit it a good several posts ago .(By move on I mean move on from bashing him on the forums , by all means continue to try contacting him I hope it all works out )

I don't disagree that things have likely gone south and been handled poorly for whatever reason buuut this is my normal area
for rest and relaxation and we already know Gil can't post to the forums due to him being unsubscribed to CoH .

so other then folks grousing is there something we are shooting for here ?

I mean if this thread is simply about complaining and naming names at that , I can launch into several tirades solely to start internet blood fueds and forum jihads :P

Should I expect a thread every time a commisoner or artist drops the ball as thats gonna get old fast .

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The only reason MMO Art is getting bashed here so badly is due to the extreme number of unhappy customers that feel ripped off.

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When I filed at the end of May, it was 45 days and I had sent payment towards the end of April.

I just searched Paypal's help page for "how to file a dispute" and this is the text on the page:

How do I dispute a payment?

Question :
Answer :
A The best way to resolve a problem transaction is to communicate directly with your seller. Most sellers welcome the opportunity to work out problems and provide good customer service.

If you and your seller are unable to work out an issue, you can go to PayPal's Resolution Center to open a dispute within 45 days of payment. If you're still unable to resolve the problem, you can escalate the dispute to a claim. A dispute can be escalated to a claim any time within 20 days of the date the dispute was opened. By escalating to a claim, you are asking PayPal to review the case and decide the outcome.

I don't know why they would tell you 20 days in the canned response unless it was for the claim portion. You have to file a dispute then escalate it to a claim if there's no response in that window.

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That's what I did; I filed a claim and the immediate response was to close the case and say I was beyond the 20 day period which I found weird.

When I tried to refile the claim it said that this case was closed and wouldn't let me.

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Since I've received no reply to any of my requests, I went to file a dispute with PayPal over this issue.

Turns out that they won't do anything for you if you made a payment over 20 days ago which I certainly did. (April 15, 2008, I believe)

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It's 45 days from date of payment sent to file a dispute before you can no longer do so. That was something I was researching as communication options when email didn't work. I know it doesn't help you but knowing that information may help someone else. I honestly don't know at this point.

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Are you sure about that because when I filed my dispute they closed the case automatically citing my payment was beyond 20 days.

Either way I'm screwed unless I get a hold of them.

What really sucks is that I have an outstanding commission with them and have tried all means that I know of to reach them and ask for a refund.

Since I've received no reply to any of my requests, I went to file a dispute with PayPal over this issue.

Turns out that they won't do anything for you if you made a payment over 20 days ago which I certainly did. (April 15, 2008, I believe)

I wonder how many others are going to get stiffed for making deposits and not getting anything for it? I'm not happy one bit and while the amount of money is not that much it's the principle. I entered into a contract with someone to provide me a commissioned piece of artwork. They requested 50% deposit up front which I provided and now I have nothing to show for it and don't think I ever will.

Some people here have said they have been waiting upwards of three years for their artwork which is really a shame and sounds more like a scam to me than anything else.

This experience has totally put me off ever working with MMO Art in the future even if the current problems get sorted out and there's a valid explanation for their lack of communication all these months.

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well, it's not the first time it's happened with them... there was complete lack of communication on their part for like, a year and then they said, "hey, we're back.. sorry" and offered refunds for those who wanted them

have they now gone *poof* again??

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If so they will not make any new customers or keep existing ones with service like that. It's sad really because Gill seems like such a nice guy and is a very talented artist.

Maybe he should hire someone with some more business savy to help him so he can concentrate on the artistic side of things.

Well due to the fact that I placed an order several months ago, the website has not been updated for months and nobody here, even friends of theirs can reach them by email, or phone got me a bit spooked so I have asked for a refund on my deposit.

I honestly wish MMO ART nothing but success because I think Gill is a very talented artist, but this veil of secrecy for what ever reason doesn't make me feel very good as a paying customer.

Anyone have any idea what's going on over there? The last update to the website was in April and nothing since then.

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So like.....this is a bug right?

I mean, this can't be a new skirt?

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All I see are meat curtains

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Let's discuss 1v1s, advantages disadvantages, which builds you have troubles against.

edit: basically match ups discussion

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Ok...go.

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You have no idea who I am so you lose sucka!

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Let's discuss 1v1s, advantages disadvantages, which builds you have troubles against.

edit: basically match ups discussion

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Ok...go.