Robot_Apple

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Buffs win over Debuffs

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This I emphatically agree with. I'm seeing quite a few people say things like 'bring lots of rad' and I don't agree. Certianly rad will make it easier, but I've done it successfully with no debuffs except a kin (so -regen/-dmg/-spd). Major debuffing sets are not necessary, and that's a good thing. Serious buffage helps much more in surviving the last mish.


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While I'm glad that the tyranny of Radiation Emission might be drawing to a close, I wonder if this fix will really help matters. Given that buffs are now clearly more effective than debuffs in this sort of situation, what exactly does a debuff heavy set like Dark Miasma bring to the table?

Against major enemies that we can't simply steamroller, Darkonne has a suite of powers that function at much reduced effectiveness than buffs, draw agro, and stand a good chance of not affecting all the enemies anyway. Why would someone want me instead of a buffer, or perhaps a more evenly balanced buff+debuff set?

It's possible I'm just being paranoid; I have not made it to the final STF mission yet (curse you, DBServer!), so I don't know what I can do there. But I just hear people claiming how much better buffs are, or see the result of massed buffs on the new Hami raid, and I worry.

-D

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Personally I love bringing a Dark def, as a precausion for team wipes during a Zerg Rush. And you as the dark defender know what you can bring to the table for a team in the STF.

AoE Rez, Tar Patch, AoE heal, Toggle -Acc/-Dmg debuff, resistance to Psi damage, ect. On top of that you could grab Recall Friend, Assualt/Tactics/Vengeance and make a wonderful addition to the team.

On 2 of the failed tries I had at the STF, I had a dark def on teh team. Unfortunately they left by way of DBServer disconnection or Family Emergency just before the final mission. I fully believe that we could have completed it with the darks on the team if we didn't lose them...

It is up to you how useful you are on a STF team. I failed when we had 1 emp and a bubbler because both the emp and the bubbler did NO buffing, and NO healing.

~Relen~
Life's absurd events deserve absurd reactions.

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Ran it a couple hours ago. The team make up was 1 scrapper(me), 2 blasters, 3 trollers, 1 def, 1 granite tank.

All in all, it was a challenging piece of cake, until the last mission. We had trouble pulling at first and got all 4 of the Patrons, which ended in team wipes. Thank god they put a hosp on the map. But we did manage to get better pulls. Took out Mako first. Not sure what it was, but he never ran around. Then we took out the rest of them. Still took awhile to take each one down. Even with sufficient debuffs it seemed like we just weren't doing a lot of damage.

Then came the part with the Recluse. I just wanna say that I am not a fan of the whole towers gimmick, as it is now. They conned at lv52 and just seemed to take forever to destroy. Took the red and green ones out, then started on the yellow one. Had barely dented the yellow one when the red one got repaired, then the green one after that. About that time the tank announced he had to go, as did one of the trollers. So we just called it quits.

So yeah, kinda disliking the whole towers gimmick. Either they need to be easier to destroy or the repair guys have to go.

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Mind if I ask why you are pulling? In my experience with the STF, and as of today I have completed 4... The successful ones we have Zerg Rushed... The failed ones we pulled. Honestly I think it is way easier to just group all the AV's in the final mission and go to town on them like we do in the LRSF.

But one thing I don't do the STF without is an emp, never will I do it without at least 1 emp.. I hate GW's hold so much! Cool thing is I am the only one to get held each time, so we get veng off at the start of the fight and end with it on as well.

So far my understanding of pulling on the STF is this -

Snipe - TP sniper - Tanker taunts pulled AV/AV's - Tanker runs to boat - Team Attacks AV's - Team Wipes - repeat - kill 1 AV - team wipe - kill 2nd AV - pull again - team wipe - kill 1 AV - team wipe - kill 4th AV

And here is how it goes for the Zerg Rush every time I do it -

Gather for buffing - Summon Shivans - Buff Shivans - Tanker takes Alpha on all 4 AV's and gets them into melee range - Scrappers rush in and attack Ghost Widow - 1 Scrapper dies - Team gets Vengeance - Scrapper gets up - Team kills GW - Team attacks Mako - Team kills Mako - Team attacks Scirroco - Team kills Scirroco - Team attacks Black Scorpion - Team Kills Black Scorpion.

In the Zerg Rush - About 6-8 minutes passed and the AV's are dead. We did it a little slower when we had 2-3 rads on the team, but it was successful non-the-less. And easy.

In the pulling - About 15-20 minutes passed for the whole process to go through. And it is complicated.

Also something I noticed with this STF is that -

Buffs win over Debuffs

I have run 4 STF's the right way as stated. And 3 of them were on very buff heavy teams. We had alot of synergy on the team filling gaps that the AT's had, and over all boosted damage and accuracy amazingly high.

2 Emps, and 1 Bubbler an stack Fort and the Bubbles to create an unstoppable defence. With the Sonic Bubbler we had, we created an awesome resistance base for those "Oh man my defence just got shot through". Adding in the Kin, we were totally untouchable. Add in the Granite and both Scrappers we had enough damage to take out the AVs without shivans. We still used them though... The AoE's were needed.

Debuffers have little to offer the team in terms of hole filling. Sure the debuffs are "OK", and they do help, Buffs by far outshine the debuffs.

(Gonna try a new end of sig sign off thing... Had 1 person ask nicely, and 1 ask like a friggin' king of the world A-hole. Nicely asking gets it done people!)

~Relen~
Lifes absurd events, deserve absurd reactions.

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Shame on a scrapper that comes to the STF w/o FA.

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I hit just fine in that TF w/o Focused Accuracy. Just because you had a hard time hitting doesn't reflect on other scrappers, and team builds. I don't like having FA or the body mastery pool in general. I like the Dark Mastery pool more.

Relen OUT!

Did another STF yesterday, successfully!

Team-

Spines/Regen Scrapper
FF/Energy Def
Emp/Psi? Def
Ill/Rad Troller
Mind/Rad Troller
Fire/Fire Blaster
Fire/Fire Blaster
Invul/SS Tanker
(Can't remember the 8th build or AT - I think it was a scrapper...)

Anyway - The whole thing went really easily up to the final mission. How can anything not be easy with 2 rads and that much damage?

We used 3 shivans for the Zerg Rush, and venged off the dead ppl and instantly rezed them. In this order we took the patrons down-
Ghost Widow
Mako
Scirroco
Black Scorpion

We had 4 stacked Assualts and Tactics. 2 people with Vengeance. Both rads had their rez, and the Emp of course had hers. We ganged up on the flier and took it out fast.

Here is where it got tricky...

First try we went after the yellow tower to lower Recluses acc, so he wouldn't hit our tanker too much. We took it out, then on to green tower. But some how the yellow tower got repaired and the Arachnos Repairmen got to the broken tower and made a new one. (I think it was our FF'ers Repulsion or Force Bubble). So our tanker died, then recluse and his 4 lvl 54 Bosses came over and kicked us in teh rear.

Next we gathered up again, and sent the tanker/emp combo into LR again. We went after the red tower to lower Recluses Damage. Took that out easily and our tanker lived longer. Then while we were attacking the green tower, some how... Our tanker lost aggro on recluse and he came over and killed the Tower team.

Next we started out again and buffed up. Set our sights on green tower for a little extra try. We had our FF'er sit at the red tower with Force Bubble up to prevent rogue Repairmen from getting to it and making another one. We took out the green tower, and headed to yellow. Then the flier came at us. dropped off 3 units and I took them out with my AoE's on my scrapper. Then the flier killed me and the Tower Team. Before finishing Green Tower we killed the flier, and then the tower... Next was the Blue Tower, easy enough. We had 1 shivan out to speed it up.. (I was losing patience so I used my last one)... Then the fight with Lord Recluse - By that time everyone was tired and ready to get this over with. So we got LR debuffed to all unholy heck, and started to fight... That is when my screen filled up with soooooo many temp power Pets it scared me! 3 of them had Amy temps, 4 had Snow Beasts, 3 others had Shivans, and 2 had Warwolf Whistle! And then all the illusion stuff was everywhere... And someone used like 3 different nukes too... Lord Recluse went down fast!

It was funny, and I wish I had a pick of the screen when all those pets were there...

And - I got 2 rare recipes as well. Call of the Sandman, and one for fear duration stuff...

Relen OUT!

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Then BOOM! Mish ended, and I got a recipe for Tech Wings, followed by a Fear/End IO recipe.

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Whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

The Tech Wings are in the Task Force pool? Significant info!

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I think I got it for beating the snot out of Lord Recluse... Not sure though...

Relen OUT!

Ok gonna quote myself from the thread I have in the i9 forums...:

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w00t! Finally finished the STF for once! We had a great team, and alot of great players!

Here is the team make-up-

Spines/Regen Scrapper
Claws/Regen Scrapper
Sonic/Sonic Defender
Emp/Rad Defender
FF/Rad Defender
Emp/Energy Defender
Stone/EM Tanker
Fire/Kin Controller

We had a great time doing this whole TF and it was way easier with this team than it has been with all the others.

Basic Strategy -

We all grouped up in front of an AV and got all buffed up. Then either me, or the Stone tanker would go in and take alpha for the AV, and its group. Kill them all, rinse and repeat.

Once we got to Aeon we used a little more strategy. We buffed up, and then our Sonic/Sonic died for us to Double Veng. Rezzed him and beat the tar out of Aeon. Simple.

For the AV's in the final mission, that everyone affectionately called the "Inner Circle" ( =P ), we cleared all the way up to the AV's and summoned Shivans, buffed them and the rest of us as well. Sent in the Stone tanker, and myself to take the Alphas.

Here is how it went down. I on my Scrapper called out who to attack. We first focused on GW, she healed at the start of the fight, but following that she didn't touch it again. With all of us wailing on her we got her down to nothing in about - 2 mins.

Next I called on Mako to die, and with the make-up of our team, and all the defs running assualt and tactics with our buffs... His Elude was nothing, put simply he died in about a minute. And without noticing, but from all the AoEs we had, Scirrico went down at the same time. The fight with Black Scorpion was easy since there was nothing left to distract us all.

Then came the Flyer - Of course this was easy, but it was funny to watch the thing flop to the ground, we all just used our immobs on it and it fell to the ground - Straight into a pumelling.

Then we made our way to Lord Recluse. I instructed one of the Emps, and the Stone tanker to hold off Lord Recluse while the rest of us went in and killed the Power Transfer Towers. This was amazingly easy. I say that because The ambushes would go straight to our controller and get stunned/held/immob/FS'd/killed without much trouble from the Tower Team.

Then when the towers where down, we headed to Recluse, and summoned Shivans. He went down fairly fast considering we spent so much time taking out the towers. Minor annoyance was the respawn of the Arachnos Flyer. We took that out right after LR.

Then BOOM! Mish ended, and I got a recipe for Tech Wings, followed by a Fear/End IO recipe.

Great TF!

Relen OUT!


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In the end it comes down to Having either a trunk load of +acc and +defence to withstand the final 4 AVs (Patrons) or having alot of Rads. I honestly prefer the whole 2 emps, 1 ff, 1 sonic, 1 kin, 1 tanker and 2 scrap thing. It was by far the most fun team I have had, and we finished it without a single person dropping.

Relen OUT!

Yes i know i spelled Relinquished wrong, I spelled it Relenquished on purpose =p

*I already had a toon named Relinquished when i made Relenquished*

Relen OUT!

Hi there, Just wondering if someone can draw 2 of my toons for me? I have tried over and over again and i still can't do it... If so... I have a few screenies of the 2 of them.

Please someone? =D

Relen OUT!