RadJad56

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Noobs arent noobs by the time they get to lev 25. People at 25 know their build and how they want to grow. Thats just common sense.


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Wrong. I am still learning at 27. Been playing since week 2. Get over yourself.

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Learning yes. But im sure you know what your powers do, how to use them, which level groups you can handle, your purpose in a group (damage, buffs...)

WLers dont know any of this.

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An apology would be nice yes.

If youd know what the mid-lev characters are dealing with when they invite tanks who think that the controller should take the aggro, youd understand too.

They will learn yes. But it shoulnt be at mine or other hard working heros' expense.

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Are those your actual "mains" you've listed in your signature?

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Deleted my lev 50s after my brother took them over.

So technically they are my "mains" but I have 2 50s on Infinity and a 43 on Virute.

(relevancy?)

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But i dont have a "hey guys 10 levels above us are there let me aggro them we can take them" attitude eather.


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If this has never happened to you except after WL's then your luck was bound to wear off eventually.

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Of course its happened before.

But not this many times, especially not in such a short time frame.

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OP quit whining, there will be noobs no matter what level you are. I apologize ahead of time that everyone can not meet your impeccable level of gameplay. How dare they try and compare to your flawless style.

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Noobs arent noobs by the time they get to lev 25. People at 25 know their build and how they want to grow. Thats just common sense.

Theres no bragging here. Thats a stupid comment im sorry. I dont have a flawless style. But i dont have a "hey guys 10 levels above us are there let me aggro them we can take them" attitude eather.

Nowhere do I proclaim how great a player I am becuase i dont consider myself to be one. But dealing with all these noobs AT LEV 20+ (not lev 5) is madness.

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Well, I say to even ask for an apology is incredibly arrogant. It's arrogant to assume that your opinion rules the rest and that you deserve an apology because your playtime hasn't been ideal.


On the other hand, I would also be curious to find out if the devs had anticipated the events that transpired, and what their opinion of them was.

I think they planned a fun event, but I can't even guess at whether or not they anticipated the effect it would have on the game (short term affect I'll agree... but an affect nonetheless). I don't think they'd consider it either a success or a failure... but they each probably have some opinion as to if they'd do it slightly differently had they a choice to go back and do so.

Zeus - god of wondering

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Geez man- I NEVER said that my opinion rules the rest, nor did I imply that- its my personal feeling.

Having to deal with Wlers all day is annoying many many many heros (especially in the 20-30 range). YES there are exceptions and not everyone has a problem. YES not all these noobs are overconfident and should be helped.

But at the same time, YES the WL gave out way too much XP, and with the constant spawning, well, we all know what happened.

I think the arrogance that you speak of falls right back on you for thinking that since your alright, its not a problem.

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Now that the WL is finally gone, I look back and think-

"What do the Devs think about all the issues it caused?"

I havent seen a post by the Devs discussing its impact or admitting its failure.

So what do they have to say about it?

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There's nothing to discuss. Do a search and you'll see it's been discussed to death.

Don't know what you mean by "admitting its failure" unless you're just wanting to put words in their mouths. I don't really see what failed. Some liked it and some didn't. So what.

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Im not doubting that some people didnt like it. Im sure the n00bs LOVED it.

But im going to assume here that the Devs intentions were NOT to allow new players to lev up 20 levels in 2 days.

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That's what's so ridiculous about your post. You're assuming what the devs wanted to do. Yet you're wanting them to admit failure based upon your assumption of how things were supposed to be.

I think the best course of action would be to drop the issue and just play the game.

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Again this is an illogical argument-

if I said something like "im assuming that the Devs didnt want us to even ATTACK them in the first place" then yes, i should be yelled at.

But i said that im assuming that they did not expect people to basically use this event as a way to skip 20 levels.

Thats not a farfetched assumption.

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Example: WLed N0ob runs into a mob and tps us all in- after aggroing 10 groups along the way. We tell him not to do that. this is followed by lots of cursing and a quit.

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Have you ever had the Teleport other power? It is a power that can be interrupted very easily. I find it highly doubtful that this "hypothetical" situation you describe could ever happen. I sincerely doubt you got any debt at all from this situation you gave us. No "noob" would have the defense necessary to stand in a group of mobs and teleport an entire team to him.

Other than that, yes some people used WL to get characters into their mid twenties and don't have a single clue. However, I know of 2 people who have been playing since the game went live, and still have no freakin clue how to play. You blame WL when you should be blaming stupid people. For some, WL was a chance to experience some new template they would never have tried before. For others WL was a chance to continue their stupid behavior with illogical builds that couldn't possibly survive on their own.

The solution to your complaint is easy. Learn how to identify idiots quicker and stop grouping with them. There is no need for Devs to give you an apology because you grouped with incompetent people.

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However, most people who reach 20s on their own without WL arent incompetant anymore- therefore it shoulnt even be an issue.

As for that particular instance, must have had an Invisibility buff on- all i know is i got the 5k debt to prove it

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Uh...im not a noob cause ive been playing since beta. Thats how I know.

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You've been playing since beta and you haven't yet come up with a strategy for handling a teammate who plays poorly?

Maybe you should be a little less concerned with other people's learning curves and a little more concerned with your own.

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That makes no sense. Im sorry but deaths by n00bs doesnt reflect a persons skills whatsoever.

If n00b goes into my group, aggroes a bunch 5 levels above the rest of us and gets us all killed...im a bad player?

Maybe you should be a little less concerned with this post and more concerned with making an insightfull comment

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Now that the WL is finally gone, I look back and think-

"What do the Devs think about all the issues it caused?"

I havent seen a post by the Devs discussing its impact or admitting its failure.

So what do they have to say about it?

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There's nothing to discuss. Do a search and you'll see it's been discussed to death.

Don't know what you mean by "admitting its failure" unless you're just wanting to put words in their mouths. I don't really see what failed. Some liked it and some didn't. So what.

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Im not doubting that some people didnt like it. Im sure the n00bs LOVED it.

But im going to assume here that the Devs intentions were NOT to allow new players to lev up 20 levels in 2 days.

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one why did you accept the Teleport?
Two you really should have seen his behavior within a few minutes and realized. that is when you either impart your knowledge or you move on. Nothing more nothing less.

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I accepted because he infomed us we were gathering in a safe spot (during TV TF thought we could skip indoor mish to get the Colonel)

Two- he was pretty quiet, no way of knowing ( I dont check badges that often)

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Why not just be glad that you get to help a bunch of people test out new powers they think are cool? Debt's not that big a deal.

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In a perfect world, id agree that yes I can help people with new cool powers.

Except most noobs are over-confident and think they know better.

Example: WLed N0ob runs into a mob and tps us all in- after aggroing 10 groups along the way. We tell him not to do that. this is followed by lots of cursing and a quit.

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what makes you think you arent a noob your self? if someone does something stupid in a group, inform them, if they leave then they leave. move on already.

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Uh...im not a noob cause ive been playing since beta. Thats how I know.

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Why not just be glad that you get to help a bunch of people test out new powers they think are cool? Debt's not that big a deal.

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In a perfect world, id agree that yes I can help people with new cool powers.

Except most noobs are over-confident and think they know better.

Example: WLed N0ob runs into a mob and tps us all in- after aggroing 10 groups along the way. We tell him not to do that. this is followed by lots of cursing and a quit.

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do you want a hand written apology? maybe a bouqet of flowers? the new people will learn, just as you did. if they lack experience, tell them what to do, give them tips.

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An apology would be nice yes.

If youd know what the mid-lev characters are dealing with when they invite tanks who think that the controller should take the aggro, youd understand too.

They will learn yes. But it shoulnt be at mine or other hard working heros' expense.

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what the? why do they need to respond? it was a temporary event, people had fun, people took advantage. so what. move on already.

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Not my point.

It was fun, didnt say it wasnt. But id did sweep in a wave of noobs who are now at my level and helping me get XP Debt.

And the Devs havent said a word.

hmmm

Now that the WL is finally gone, I look back and think-

"What do the Devs think about all the issues it caused?"

I havent seen a post by the Devs discussing its impact or admitting its failure.

So what do they have to say about it?