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Quote:Maui Mall, same side as Longs and Subway. You are a person of magnificent tastes. For those of you wondering, "what the heck is that?", guri-guri is a sherbert-y treat. Very nice, and I've personally only ever had it on Maui.Originally Posted by Arcanaville
As long as this is on your island:
we'll call it even.
They don't do the beans* anymore, but then, every time I went they were always out anyways, so... Man... I haven't been there in a while. I should go sometime soon...
*I'm assuming azuki beans. I'm sure some of you were like, "wait, what? Bush's baked beans?" No, no, no... -
Quote:Yep. Thing for me is I do live on an island (Maui, Hawai'i) that's mostly reliant on tourism (come and visit us!). So spending money locally versus online is a bit more important to me. Even buying from the local pawn sho... er... Gamestop at least is helping pay somebody's check around here.Originally Posted by Daimyo_Shi
Supoport you local Mom and Pop Computer shop! 'cause were else are you going to get a hard drive when you Crash yours and the latest and greatest game come out tommorow!
The fact I work for a newspaper company adds to this for me - I support local businesses and the local community because they're also the ones that pay for my check, too!
There are some things I can't get around here, but overall, even with exceptions? Try to get local.
I will say this - the local computer shops are good about saying, "yeah, we can get it for you, but honestly, just go to Newegg" if the pricing will be too out of whack. But at least I'm giving them the first shot
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Quote:Some of us like to shop locally, too.Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Or you bought it at a store instead of online. Surprisingly people still prefer holding a physical item before parting with their money than parting with their money and waiting 3-5 business days for delivery.
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Quote:At the same time, you'd think he went to some players house and ate their puppies.Originally Posted by Starsman
4 rights dont fix a wrong of such epic proportions!!!
Besides, you don't judge some one based on what he did 10 years ago, you judge him based on what he did in the last 3 years.
Also, it may be only him, but he is sitting in the driving wheel!!! And from all I gather, he was just a passenger in all the other projects. -
Quote:And City of Heroes. Only Roper so far as I know had ties to Flagship, and before that he worked on Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo while he was at Blizzard.Originally Posted by Starsman
And they have Hellgate London listed proudly in their resume!!!
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Quote:Stupidity is part of the human condition, so yeah, you're right. I think that's one thing that most people (regardless of their other beliefs) can agree on.Originally Posted by MortisEques
I just don't see people running out of stupid reasons to kill another person anytime soon.
Heck... Darwin Awards. Stupidity can be self-inflicted
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Quote:Yeah, it is. I wish we human beings weren't such schmucks to each other. I wish I could win the lottery too (significantly better odds of happening).Originally Posted by BigFish
Isn't that kind of like saying: "I wish the USA hadn't killed all those First Nations people or invaded Mexico!". Japan used the history of the USA as an excuse to invade Korea and China. We were their prime example of how to become 'large' on the world stage. Whatever GG might think, the USA has NEVER been a 'shining light of goodness' in the most basic sense. As a nation, we've done a small amount of good and a hefty dose of selfish 'evil'
Pretty much. Crazy thing is some of the military leaders wanted to keep going even after that O-oQuote:Originally Posted by Bitt_Player
You know, the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the reasons behind them, bring up another interesting point: Sometimes you can't do the right thing. You have to settle for doing the least wrong thing. Dropping nuclear bombs on a couple cities was a terrible thing to do, but the alternative was a long, agonizing war which would've been even worse. -
Quote:*bzzt* Nope, they're not.Originally Posted by Westley
They ARE?????
Huh, and here the whole time I thought they were Nemesis Automatons...
Hey, would you like a *bzzt* trial pass? There's some great *bzzt* stuff coming up! -
Quote:Cheap shot is cheap. They're people over there too, ya knowOriginally Posted by Golden Girl
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Quote:I would disagree on your second point. They would likely, however, claim that they aren't evil. And for whatever bad things they might do, they'll likely have examples of things far, far worse, or acutely point out what they believe is your evil (ignorance, casual and contented hypocrisy, etc).Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Good and evil are not relative - there is absolute good, and there is absolute evil.
People who are more inclined to evil are also more likely to claim it doesn't exist.
And the fun opposite: prove there isn't.Quote:Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Prove it.
And even more fun: try to get everyone to agree on definitions of what constitutes absolute good and absolute evil. I think its one of those things where you're exceptionally unlikely (regardless if there is or isn't) to come to an agreement @_@ -
Quote:Understood.Originally Posted by LostHalo
Since this is obviously targeted in my direction, what with quoting my exact phrasing, my point had nothing to do with whether or not an action was justifiable but regarding the affixing of arbitrary definitions.
I don't really want to get into it on a forum setting like this but even in the cases you reference, while the actions and their results are undeniably atrocious, affixing the title of "good" or "evil" to those at the front of the line feels unsound. Not trying to continue the Godwin, but if you want to bring up the obvious guy, you have to answer the question: Had the rest of Europe not allowed the ideal conditions to be set in place, would he have come to power? What of all the relevant parties involved sitting on their collective haunches, when the dangers were readily apparent? Or for some more recent conflicts, how far back should we assign the blame, particularly when it comes to having ignored Lawrence and letting something like the Sykes-Picot Agreement go through?
It's not that I'm acting as some sort of apologist for the obvious people but I just don't feel comfortable affixing such a weighted label when the greater sum of humanity is rarely innocent of some of the guilt. Again, it's not an apology for those that carried through with their decisions, just an affirmation that a stock label only begets blindness to full understanding and the ability to learn.
Bleargh.
For me its a matter wrongs compounding wrongs compounding wrongs. I'm a big believer in "there's enough blame to go around" versus trying to find a single explanation or party to blame. In short - its quite plausible, to me, that everyone was wrong and everybody screwed up.
Sorry - I've heard some stupid people use "everything is relative" and either never think that out or use it as a cop out ("Well, he didn't think it was wrong."). -
Quote:Sorry - trying to be civil.Originally Posted by Westley
This might be a better discussion for the Unleashed forum... I'm not sure if the mods are going to like where this might go here...
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Hrm - the Resistance would likely be like marble or granite - because there are many people involved you can't really call the group a single thing but rather a range. As I've told Golden Girl, I'm hoping the resistance spans the gamut from real do-gooders to people that would be even worse than Emperor Cole if they got into power, along with everything in between.
Likewise, I'm hoping there's opportunity to see more than just facist thugs in the Loyalists. Lets face it - there will be some really good people wanting to sign up in various parts of it but won't know what the core of things is like. Even within a corrupt government/culture there's still room to do good things.
That's just me. The shades make for interesting reading/fiction, yes? Of course, so do start contrasts. I like Superman because he's a big boy scout
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Quote:Change "sacrificed" to "murdered" and that might be a bit easier.Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
That's insane.
Sacrifice, when willing, is a noble, tragic thing. To lay down your life for someone or something.
Sacrifice as in "sacrificed"? Not so much. Candy coating.
Also, could be wrong, but did Ozy did anything to try and stop global nuclear annihilation any other way? If anyone had the intelligence to do so out of the bunch, he did. I don't recall, in the comic or movie (been years since I read it), that he tried to influence governments, diplomacy, etc., in any way. -
Quote:There's a local peace group that celebrates Hiroshima annually. I know one of leaders (former teacher of mine). I asked about what they thought about Nanjing, plus the various movements of the Japanese government to cover it up, hide it, or at least minimize it (even including news stories and the like for her to reference). Surely that would better show the horrors of war than the bombing of Hiroshima? After all the group tried to raise awareness of things going on in the world at the personal level. And given we're in Hawai'i, its a relevant part of history to more than a small portion of the population, maybe even giving insight into why North Korea likes to fire test missles now and then in Japan's direction, etc.Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
To tread lightly (Hopefully) on the subject of history's views on what is or isn't evil... One doesn't need to look far for large numbers of innocent people being killed and also left with lingering, chronic terrible results. Dropping the bombs on Japan is something that many people today could highly disagree about. And, what is said about it might very well depend upon what nation's history books you read.
She never wrote back on the matter.
While I don't like it (nukes = yuck), I think it was better than the alternative they thought they had (long, ugly land war). And the US did a lot to help Japan rebuild after that, also.
Of course, at the root, I wish Japan never decided to invade anyone. That's one thing to be considered, too - what was the root of things? There's a lot of things that happened, good and bad, that never would've if the problem never happened in the first place! Yes, I'm sure there's stuff going back further, but you still have to be accountable for your own decisions. -
I like the comic better than the movie in that regard. The comic is clearer in that things won't last. And honestly, if Doctor Manhatten saved the world then you wouldn't have had much of a story.
Besides - what happens when Ozy dies? Does he have plans to have keep the fear of Manhatten in everybody for the rest of time? Memories are short (sadly).
I would note that the "many outweighing the few" can't be the catch-all for things. While its a good principle for a lot of things, it could rationalize a lot of horrible things, too. Its too... simplistic. -
Quote:Understandable. Just the part of the family I know and love was over here, not over there. Might be cultural, too, not wanting to bring up old wounds and such.Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
My first wive's paternal grandfather was a soldier captured in Singapore in 1942. He never talked about the time he spent incarcerated by the Japanese, ever, even to old comrades.
Somethings should not be forgotten, but they are also for individuals sometimes too painful to recall.
The Pacific Islands campaign generally is not something I could ever imagine living through, and Okinawa was one of the worst of the lot. -
Congratulations! Looking forward to everything you guys do this next year - hopefully you'll place again in 2011!
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Quote:Or someone who's gotten highly jaded. Goodness knows that's not far off from how I view politicians.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Just the sort of thing a villain would say
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Quote:Martin Luther King?Originally Posted by Du Hast
There is no such thing as heroes and villains, only "my side vs. your side"
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Quote:I was getting mail from Senator Inouye many years ago (they were building a museum and were looking for support) and he talked about it, noting that many of the people in the camps at the time were understanding, and only wanted that people not forget what happened.Originally Posted by BrandX
True. I had never heard of these camps for Japanese Americans, untill I met an older Japanese man, who I was doing a job for. He told me that's where he had in fact learned his job before he retired.
It shouldn't be forgotten or rewritten as never happening.
Its interesting... there's a lot of stuff that I don't know because of how far removed from those events I am, generationally - my dad is Okinawan, third generation in Hawa'i. My older family simply does not talk that much about things like that, focusing more on what the family did and such. I never would have heard about it from them! Even the things that happened in Okinawa during WWII they don't talk about. -
Or history gets written by historians and victors, with the historians hoping their accounting survives. Or gets revised later using information from the losers. Or by someone hoping to be a future victor.
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Quote:I'm just wondering if there'll be any stories where we can try to reform/change things from the inside or not.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
GR will let us decide
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Quote:My mother is English, so I heard a little to the other side of the American Revolutionary War as a resultOriginally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
History is written by the winners, and you only get tried for war crimes if you lose.
And the Japanese government is trying to brush under the rug the stuff that happened during WWII, so its not just the winners who write history. Likewise, Senator Daniel Inouye (D-HI) had been promoting awareness of what happened to Japanese citizens in America during WWII. There was an older gentleman I used to know at church who was in one of the internment camps! Not something I learned about in the winner written history book I had in high school.
edit: Senator Inouye fought in the war in the US Army, got a purple heart. He was one of the winners, to be sure. -
Quote:Of course, some villains have great intent.Originally Posted by Nibb_Nibb
Intent is typically a greater measure of "good or evil" than action.
Here's a related question:
Do the ends justify the means?
Or does the means justify the end?
I could guarantee peace on earth today if you'd just let me nuke the entire planet a few times over
Seriously, though: I prefer "means justify the end" more than the other way around. Our legal system tries to go by that. While not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, we do have our rights, there are things the prosecution may not do, warrants have to be requested (with good reason) and approved for various things, and we're innocent until proven guilty. Stuff like that.