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They weren't. They were statements of facts. You over interpreted there and added things that didn't exist. Oh well.

You're unbelievable. You start with Sorry and end with that? I am shaking my head in disbelief.

First, you are the insulting one but apparently blind to it and get defensive when responded too. You didn't need to define all that stuff and treat some one like an inferior mentally - but that may be normal behavior for you.

And you still cling to this flaw/fallacy stuff. These are possibilities that MAY (the point you are missing) happen be it 1% or 99% chance happening. You admit that here:
Neither you or I know which way things will happen. I see the possibility of negatives having greater consequences that the devs have to deal with later. It is not work the benefit to risk ratio, even at 1% happening. Yet you dismiss MarshaMarsha...er..FallacyFallacyStupidity (even when pointed out to you).

You can say anything you want with the numbers are assuming. You can not predict in any sense of accuracy since emotional elements are involved (character concept in particular). You have no solid math. Period. It does not matter what I say because they are ASSUMPTIONS not based on real data that could include emotional elements. People do crazy things when emotions are involved. GDN or ED? Remember those? The math behind them make perfect sense, but you wouldn't have guessed that reading these forums.

You also take a very simplistic view to solving problems. Just toss an email out. I brought isssues up on that, that you just dismissed. Data? Look at the Informal Art Poll thread and how complex that got. It was easy - Option 1 or Option 2. Look at the dev's replies. It isn't simple. You want people to have a voice - they have one. All players have access to the forums if they are active/good standing. How many though come to the forums? Look at this thread for replies. Actually read them. This is not a clean cut issue, especially after 6 years. You call another fallacy about players wanting votes for AT/powerset respecs or opening up costumes. I have zero doubt it will happen because it deals with the touchy subject of concept. Some one will eventually hear that multiple names came from concept arguments and they will have a precedent to work on. I read these threads all the time in the Suggestions forums (Hi, I have some concept but I can't get such and such or a new powerset came out that actually fits my concept...).

This subject is too hot that can be casually solve by your inaccurate math and throw an email out solution.

And now you think I don't speak English as a first language? Wow, you know no limits.

You have shown nothing including your math. It is horrible, why do you pretent it is?

Adding yet even more insults and assumptions (like I am behind). Now making up stuff like I said things will happen? I said possibilities that MAY happen. You, in your assuming ways, changed that to definitely happen. Would help if you read and weren't so condenscending and dismissive.

You have pointed nothing out or defined them. I know exactly what they are and treating someone else like they are clueless. More assumptions by you.

You live in a simple world where everything works out. I don't. I spend mine in dealing with all the possibilities and preparing plans around them. You call them fallacy since you are very limited in the ability to see consequences of actions.

You are also dismissive when this is brought up and presumptious as in "But it certainly would be a rare and strange event." Oh, you know that how?

So no math, no anything really. Just calling out fallacy and stupidity and therefore you are right.

So now stupidity and fallacy. People copy all the time. You should see the the Lady Gagas at our school song-a-thon - oh wait, you weren't there so I am making up stuff like your math. Fallacy, fallacy, fallacy is all you have with your assumptions and so called facts.

Of course math is facts - based on solid, observable data. However, you only have asssumptions and claiming it be math, therefore facts.

Which shows a hole in your assumptions on the distribution of players. You are assuming again what Nethergoat is referring. More assumptions. Shakier ground.

Oh, just because some players post some thread, it can be concluded that unique naming doesn't. Wow, that was easy to prove something doesn't work.

And now you know the intentions of the devs and their questioning? Incredible. Anything else you should let us players know?

Confident that they will stand up? Sounds like the weathermen I watch every day. All I have to do is ask and get the facts.

Nethergoat and Electric-Knight are explaining it better. You are ASSUMING. You have NO solid number crunching. Stop acting like your math are facts.

EDIT - You are not taking into any account the "coolness" factor. I may see a toon 1 time (in my entire life) that has a name, and I can say "Wow! I want that name too." Then make one with the name, and go showing it off to other friends, who make think similarly (friends are like that you know) and take the name, thus spreading it more and picked up by other players. Now players are creating toons in roughly the same period, thus roughly the same level and actually may end up teaming toghether because they are running the same content. Probably another "fallacy" since you like that word so much.

More numbers that dont' prove anything. What about globals or SGs? People may stick to those for teaming and may see those all the time. You haven't shown this will happen and are just guessing like the weather.

It's not when people's emotions are involved like in names, costumes, or other concepts (powersets like vehicles).

But you rather lecture and know it all. Apparently I don't understand "slippery slope" and need it explain in details since I am sooooo uneducated. ("But I never said that" or "You are putting words in my mouth" - you are in your little passive aggressiveness there, but will deny it nonetheless.)

Anyhow, what you call fallacies, I call thinking ahead. You seem to just go on and do what ever without asking the "what if's". Of course we can not prove if A will lead to C, but is there any chance of A leading to C or D or E? If so, what are the consequences - better or worse? What I do and work, we have to think of things because if we don't, there could be real life consequences (jobs, money to the company, etc.). I would love to say to my teams, "Don't worry, we can't show that A must or ever will lead to C so we can just ignore it. All will be fine and dandy." So, apart from your infallible math on how often will see another player with the same (until they type /search), I see this vote as something that could be used as a precedent for other things that I may or may not support.

Eh, had a reply going but then got to this. Anything is just fallacy to you. Can't argue with that. You are not open to any objections and thought of everything. Can't wait for that email.

You want your voice heard - yet here are the forums. You can PM the devs. You can start threads. But a nice and simple vote is the way to go.

Yes, because details matter and things like the Informal Art Poll proved how giving just two choices gets complicated fast. This is an emotional issue and you are blowing off people's opinions and votes.

I could argue that 10% of the population votes and the vote is "yes" with only 50.1% of the vote. The devs go off and do "the people's will" because, hey, they voted for it. What do you think the response from the player will be when they log on a see multiple copies of the same name running around? I guess the devs should just say "Hey, you didn't vote, so we don't care."

And how do you deal with the Pandora's Box you are opening?

Names are important for concept some people say. Okay. But so are other things. For example:
- Opening up unlockable costume parts. Hey! Come on now, you voted to have multiple names added, we want a vote to have the devs program it so that if I unlock a part like from the ITF it is global or I can purchase it early from vet rewards. It is concept! Vote now!
- AT/powerset respecs: Hey! Come on now, you voted to have multiples names added, and now you devs add a new powerset that is my original concept for a toon. Make that AT/powerset respec now because we voted on it and the majority rules.
- AT/Powerset development: They did something like this before on the poll for sets to be added, but what about ones not planned or not in development yet. Ever see those posts on range/def ATs? Or what about /MA set for blasters? Vehicles? These are important concepts for some people - care to deny that? What will stop them from clamoring for player votes to get added or changed in the game?

You just make everything sound so simple and rosey. No players will ever get upset.

What math? All I see is hand-waving of numbers on ONE possibility. You don't know what will happen in reality any more than any of us. Statistics can say anything.

For example from real life, right here and now in PA. You can look up the weather reports yourself. We were told yesterday afternoon rain - these people use modeling and computers to predict weather right? So we made plans for the morning. We wake up, and there is rain. Plans ruined. So a few numbers tossed around in a suggestion forum doesn't carry a lot of weight.

I would strongly disagree with such an email. There is no gaurantee the results would be clear or decisive.

Just look at that Informal Art Poll and giving two options. People voted but then added conditions or other options/suggestions to modify the vote (Option X but if such and such). Now do that on a larger scale. You already see that here with the suggestion that the same name can be used under one global account.

Also, who votes? Using the US as an example, just look times each election where the percent voting are as low as 20 or 30% of registered voters actually voting. What if only 25% of the registered users vote? Should they carry the decision, especially if the vote is 51% to 49%? That doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement to change the system if low voting and small margin of difference. Or like I mentioned above, what if an "option 3" gains votes and becomes the majority, then what? Players with multiple accounts - 1 vote or 1 vote per account?

How do you define victory? 51,111 votes no, 51,112 yes, therefore it is yes?

How likely is all that? Who knows, but those are just some possibilities.

Bill Z Bubba said it best IMO (and I will look for the post to link) about the cost benefit to work ratio will determine if things like this get added. If the devs see great benefit to the most players and the resources are such that it can be, then they will do things.

Aett, you are just too speedy!

Well said!

Not annoyed - you must be reading a totally different reply.

Not kidding either. Show me where I am? You can't because you are like the OP and have no supporting information. Just you stating what is so, therefore it is.

And they got their answer. You have no information and just an opion that is the "preferable" alternative.

Best example:
See he tells another player that their opinion is fallacy. With nothing to support it.
That you have to accept the other people do mind - no question he is "lording" that you have to accept it.
That you have to allow other players to use names. No choice but to accept.
And then ends in what the preferable alternative is - yes, "preferable" for who? Just how did he come to that conclusion. Ah, his lordship.

So yeah, like seriously.