OPTICAL_ILLUSION

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DUAL MEH!

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Clouded meet Clouded

Please PM your post to the Devs and lets get their opinion on it.

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The drones were in place to prevent camping, a form of griefing.

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OK yes.

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Twixt saw a different use for it, an opportunity to take advantage of it, and went for it. What twixt was blissfully unaware of was that it was still illegal by the game's rules, as per EULA. In other words, breaking intended purpose to gain something unfairly or harass another player.

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Twixt (was), TP Foe and the drones are still there. Lemme check.
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Yup The power and dones are still there.


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Let me describe it a different way:

Within the game's mechanics, droning or the use of other NPCs to gain a personal advantage is possible.

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OK


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Within the general rules of PvP, it's possible and occasionally allowed... Usually as a last resort.

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Umm you are way wrong there. it's either allowed or not allowed by the mechanics. period. not sometimes or once in a while. it is or it isn't. again period.

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However, using such repeatedly is considered cheap among the community, simply because it prevents fighting solely on one's powers and the knowledge of the immediate surroundings.

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Proving Twixt's points in the paper even more about the community enforced rules and ways of PvPing that are acceptable social standards that differ from the actual game play mechanics and rules.

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But your right, it's still allowed.

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Yes

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What's not allowed is the repeated prevention of a person's enjoyment, otherwise known as harassment, as per the Terms of Service.

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So where was the perma ban for Twixt? Oh I forgot, there was none. You have no point here.

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Before you argue that NPCs can be considered part of the surrounding environment, allow me to stop you. You're right. However, like all rules, the use of an NPC is only allowed to an extent.

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The imaginary community and social "extent" levels do not apply.

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Happen to start a fight while one person was attacking a few NPCs? Go for it. It adds an element of danger to one or both sides when done strategically. But continuing to use it with malicious intent, all for the benefit of personal gain, changes 'fair game' to ill conduct and 'harassment.' So, while drones were added to prevent griefing, it unlocked new forms of griefing.

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The imaginary community and social rules do not apply.

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And again, while using chat to chat is possible and allowed, provoking another player begins crossing the line of conduct. After which, the continuing use of bad conduct eventually crosses the line of harassment.

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So where was the perma ban for Twixt? Oh I forgot, there was none.

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Things are allowed, but often to an extent. And just because it's possible, doesn't make it acceptable

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This game has specific mechanics and rules.

Break the mechanics and rules get banned.

Twixt was never perma banned for any ingame action. He had played since 2004 and no perma bans. none. nada.

So to sum up what you are saying is that these things are legal sometimes and not others. The communities social standards and rules govern this game and not the Devs, GMs and game mechanics and rules.

Your whole post reflects some of the attitues of the players Twixt mentions in his paper and wrote about.

There is no sometimes or maybe it is or is not accepted but when sometimes you can or other times you can't but then again if this circumstance happened then it's ok but if it happens more then 3 times well that's not ok but other times it may or may not be ok. ok?

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TPing people into drones is griefing as others have said

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It's players like you that provided the basis for Twixt's paper. Your above comment goes to prove you know nothing about PvP. If it were illegal TP Foe and Drones would have been removed by the Devs a long time ago.


Read and learn.

Below are quotes from the PvP Guide to Guides posted by Niviene (red name if you didn't know) and updated (now outdated but applicable at the time) by notputzing.

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Q. What can I do if someone is using tp foe on me?

A. An orange inspiration or a kin casting ID on you can prevent you from getting tp foe-d. A few power sets also have access to tp foe protection. Another helpful trick is to always keep jumping. If tped while jumping you’ll often escape any traps they may have set for you and they may not have time to get off an attack before you hop out of range.

Another complaint was that Twixt killed players over and over and interrupted duels and farmers.

Q. Is X cheating?

A. While there are many different things that X can be, generally speaking the answer is no. TPing people into holes in the geometry in PvP zones is a petitionable offense, as is the use of language that breaks the EULA, but other than that, everything goes in a PvP zone. Trailing NPCs to another player is perfectly legal, as is killing someone repeatedly, popping lots of inspirations, interrupting duels and rep farms, stopping someone from getting nukes, using your tier 9 before you go into sirens, or really anything else you can think of.

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I PvPed on Freedom with Twixt in zone for a long time.

I have had the record chat feature for a good portion of that time.

Yeah I have proof, not just speculation and myth.

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I can only say this: PROVOKE THE BULL AND GET THE HORNS.

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Sure, I agree.


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Twixt got the horns. From the looks of that "paper" of his, the horns hurt quite a bit.

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Yes he is getting some horns but they are only serving to prove the validity of his paper and helping to create a whole new dimension for his future book.

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It does not matter one whit whether or not what Twixt was doing was "against the game zone mechanics or rules." What matters was that people did not find it enjoyable or even amusing. These sort of behaviors are only [marginally] forgiveable if they are funny.

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Did Twixt design the mechanics and rules for PvP in CoX?

No. He followed the mechanics and rules available to him so it becomes the players problem for not accepting these mechanics and rules.

It's a QQ situation for these players.

Don't like how PvP works then leave.

Don't like the chat then /ignore.

Don't like the mechanics then complain to the Devs and not blame Twixt for playing the game, following the rules, doing some research on a particular topic and making observations.

*I edited my original question to be more specific*

Twixt followed the EULA.

Twixt did not use foul or offensive language.

Players have /ignore options at their disposal.

If Twixt was as exploiter and was this major harassing player as others portray him, why was he never perma banned? Hmmm? Well??????????????????? He was petitioned a lot so why was he still allowed to play?


Twixt using TP Foe was the top harassment complaint.

Although the TP mechanics and TP protection has been changed to resistance now, this below was a method players could use to prevent themselves from being Tped or killed in certain circumstances. People complained that Twixt was breaking the rules and harassing them by using this legal tactic. Being Tped into base drones was preventable but many chose to complain as opposed to using these defensive tactics to avoid such occurrence. Also many would come back to base after being droned then get droned again and complain.Getting droned was and still is completely avoidable. Out in the zone it was much easier to TP Foe your opponent to you, into heavies, critters and turrets but there was also methods to lessen the chance of being killed. All legal zone tactics here but once again the top complaint. Simply, Twixt knew how to use the zone to his advantage.


Below are quotes from the PvP Guide to Guides posted by Niviene and updated (now outdated but applicable at the time) by notputzing.

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Q. What can I do if someone is using tp foe on me?

A. An orange inspiration or a kin casting ID on you can prevent you from getting tp foe-d. A few power sets also have access to tp foe protection. Another helpful trick is to always keep jumping. If tped while jumping you’ll often escape any traps they may have set for you and they may not have time to get off an attack before you hop out of range.

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Another complaint was that Twixt killed players over and over and interrupted duels and farmers.

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Q. Is X cheating?

A. While there are many different things that X can be, generally speaking the answer is no. TPing people into holes in the geometry in PvP zones is a petitionable offense, as is the use of language that breaks the EULA, but other than that, everything goes in a PvP zone. Trailing NPCs to another player is perfectly legal, as is killing someone repeatedly, popping lots of inspirations, interrupting duels and rep farms, stopping someone from getting nukes, using your tier 9 before you go into sirens, or really anything else you can think of.

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People have pointed out that those who responded in such a manner were definitely in the wrong.

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Yes.

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However, not everyone responded that way. The vast majority of people didn't respond that way. They appear to have fallen through the cracks in Twixt's "research". There's no mention of them. No numbers about how often he received death threats and how often he received perfectly civil messages. No actual data to back up his presentation of the community. Simply his word. Unfortunately, since he misrepresented what took place to minimize his culpability, why would anyone believe his word after that? His chat logs are not comprehensive, otherwise they would include the harassing he did, which would instantly discount his "evidence" because he was personally goading his "victims" by attacking them verbally. Unless he presents all the data that goes along with research, he is misrepresenting his findings and demonizing a community based on nothing more than anecdotes.

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Twixt provided the proper and appropriate information needed to discuss the core of his paper. I'm sure when he writes his book there will be more included.

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(Or do you believe it is impossible for a impartial researcher to not respond to negative comments?)

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No it is possible.

“Playing the zone game as intended”...
Kill Villains
Take over pill boxes
Communications/chat systems are not disabled in zone so using said function as an additional method/medium (with the rules) is intended, otherwise it would have be disabled.

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Was it just that he was playing the game by the rules and they got mad?

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Mainly this.

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Or did some of them get mad only after he replied to their complaints?

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Sure Twixt added fuel to the fire at times but he has the right to respond to negative comments and always remained within the EULA.

Twixt did not use exploits and did play within the zone rules. The problem here is that many people do not know how to PvP and do not know the mechanics and rule set. Still today we have people petition others for droning, interrupting duels, getting TPed into critters, being attacked repeatedly, and being attacked while farming and badging. None of these are against the game rules and these were the primary complaints about Twitx in the zone. There are a lot of misconceptions by players and many follow their own prefabricated set of rules.

The majority of the time after Twixt would use these tactics people would start making negative of varying degrees to him. Twixt would then follow up with his own but never broke the EULA.

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You see, you can't have it both ways here.

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Yes you can. Twixt used all methods available to him that were provided by game mechanics, functions and rules.

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You pretend that it is required to respond to players not saying "GF or GG"

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No I’m not

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To respond with taunts is pretty much admitting that it had nothing to do with actual research.)

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No it’s not.

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And finally, the conclusion he is trying to support is that the enforced social norms actually limit the types of gameplay,

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This is true

Go and actually PvP on Freedom and use these legal zone methods and tactics and come back with the responses from the players you used them on and others in broadcast chat.

Attack someone farming.
Attack someone fight clubbing/dueling.
Drone someone into police drones when your base is being camped.
Drone someone into critters, a heavy or pill boxes and kill them.
Kill someone over and over and over.
“Pop” a bunch of inspirations and attack someone.

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His methods are poor science, his conclusions are unsupported and his willingness to defend them on their merits seems limited to arguing with people who disagree while never providing additional evidence or claims that back up his point.

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People are not paying attention to what the core of the paper was about. Twixt provided enough evidence.

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In that context, it is hard to read this as anything other than emo-nerd-ragequit, dressed up as an academic finding.

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I’m sorry you read it that way.


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(since you demanded answers, I'll expect that you answer every question I've posed here, otherwise it would seem you can't keep to your own standards either.)

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Well now you can answer the first question in my previous post.

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You expect that a community of 150,000 would accomodate a guy who went out of his way to harass others

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Here lies one of the fundamental problem with most of you here. Please write down exactly what PvP methods Twixt used to "harass" people in the game that would be considered against the game zone mechanics or rules. Anybody?


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then trash talked them in an attempt to get a sexy response for his paper

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Here is the second fundamental problem. The majority of the time after Twixt would attack or TP someone into critters or drones, the players on the recieving end would complain in broadcast then Twixt would respond. Yes Twixt would use broadcast PvP as a method but many of you are making it sound like others were merely innocent, respectful and honorable players who ran around saying GF, GG and nothing else.

I have a few more things to add but I'll hold off until I get some responses to these areas.

Fan yes, Twixt no.

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Reading the comments to iltat's response, Mr Myers has the whole mechanic behind RV wrong. He keeps repeating that you have to "Kill Villians= Win the Zone". I could go into RV right now and not touch a single person and still win the zone. Taking pillboxes is the only way. Now it might be that in order to take said pillboxes, you might have to dispatch of some opposing forces, but that's just a speedbump in the real primary objective, if that was his true objective all along.

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Gotta read that better WHF.

Twixt wrote Kill Villains, Win the zone.

not

Kill Villains to win the zone.

or

Kill Villains = Win the zone.


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If he really wants to be taken halfway seriously, the facts need to line up. His don't. What he wanted to do was grief, and see the consequences. He played the game long enough to figure out what griefing might mean to others, and then proceeded to play within those "guidelines." Mission accomplished, sir. You learned how best to be ostracized in this game, and then proceeded to do it, on three different servers, no less. GG

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So many things are flying by so many heads. Amazing.

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Consolidate, discuss, learn and enjoy the epicness!

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I'm sorry that you cannot see the value or importance of this topic.

Very educational and epic.

To each their own I guess.

Mod 8 would you please consolidate the 6 separate threads and sticky it?

Please?

I PvPed in zone with Twitx for over a year, I know exactly what occured and also have had the record chat feature on to verify any broadcast chat. FYI the arena is not the only test of PvP skill LOL.

Get a clue because apparently you do not have one on this subject.

PvP Guide to Guides

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Q. Is X cheating?

A. While there are many different things that X can be, generally speaking the answer is no. TPing people into holes in the geometry in PvP zones is a petitionable offense, as is the use of language that breaks the EULA, but other than that, everything goes in a PvP zone. Trailing NPCs to another player is perfectly legal, as is killing someone repeatedly, popping lots of inspirations, interrupting duels and rep farms, stopping someone from getting nukes, using your tier 9 before you go into sirens, or really anything else you can think of.

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Now let me clarify because apparently you don't know the truth.

Twixt killed players, took over pill boxes to win the zone, droned campers (legal tactic), TPed enemies into mobs, heavies and pill boxes then killed them (legal tactic), always ran at 400 rep on his LOLmelee, trash talked the trash talkers, riled up the noobs and farmers, followed the rules and was never banned, and was an amazing PvPer at the top of the list with people like the Renegades, M3z and a handful of others.

QQ less and get your facts straight or QQ more and make this even more epic.

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This book will go down as the most intellectualized example of abusive sadism I can imagine

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OMG Keep it coming. LOL

LOL

ROFL THIS THREAD IS AMAZING!

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Moreover, the Devs have stated that intentionally causing xp debt is harassment and against the TOS. Doesn't engaging in an "illegal" activity negate the entire point of his 'paper'?

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Think hard my friend. Really think hard. Better yet do some research.



LOL THIS COMMUNITY IS SO FUNNY. IT IS AMAZING HOW LITTLE MOST OF YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS GAME AND THE MECHANICS. ALL THESE THEORIES BEING MADE UP ABOUT TWIXT, IT'S LIKE A SOAP OPERA HERE. I'M SO LOVING THIS CoX DRAMA QUEEN EPISODE!

The controversy continues...

Fact: Twixt can deliver babies using TP.

I'M LOVING THIS THREAD!

QQ more please!

TWIXT = LEGENDARY

WOW Twixt really has gotten a lot of panties up in a bunch.

LOL some of you are pretty sad. Please whine and complain more though, it will only make for a more interesting read.

TWIXT FTW!

Keep trying, it's very cute.

How about this. When you start challenging yourself to use more common sense and less snark perhaps I'll indulge you and your little challenges.

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a little logic

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This is very useful, perhaps you should start using it.