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Welcome to the ladder.

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That's a bummer. Hope all the players find happy new homes and that FoL is able to rebuild if they want to.

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I am sorry your sonics can't multi-task well.

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Isn't W-the Cager on their team?

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I heard he's a terrible sonic.

I got stuck writing the introduction, and it's still pretty piss poor, but I'll show you guys what I have:


Dear Devs,

With the recent reinvestment in the City of games by NCSoft, many in the PvP community are hoping that a few of our issues might get some of your attention. On that theory we worked to compile a list of PvP bugs, issues, and popular requests. While we know you get many pleas, we hope this one might get your attention because it comes as the consolidated voice of almost 175 forum goers. We voted so as to get a better idea of which items were truly priorities; it may be helpful to take a look at our discussion here.

Not surprisingly, big ticket items drew a lot of votes, although Ex asked us to leave them off the final priority list. A serverless system or some other form of cross-server competition would be a boon for PvP, and we do hope you pursue it. We also hope that you take a look at the balance between heroes and villains: irresistibles and epics/patrons are cited as the most likely culprits. A paid PvP expansion was another big vote getter: people are willing to shell out extra to get the PvP items they so desperately want. That said, the simple request of selectable arena maps was the number one vote getter by a substantial margin.

Thank you for taking the time to read through this. We truly hope this list is helpful to you.

-PvPers

Priority List, as voted on by Members of the Community

1. People often have to reset matches multiple times to get an acceptable map. Add selectable maps, as well as the ability to eliminate maps from the selection while still having a random pick.
2. There aren’t any meaningful rewards to encourage participation in PvP. One of the most popular suggestions it to update the bounty store for post-i9 rewards, and spreading the bounty system to the rest of the zones. Make sure the rewards are for PvPing, not for doing PvE activities in PvP zones.
3. The Only Affecting Self timer in the arena has two big issues: its wide variability, and the ability to affect people who are in OAS. This video shows how to trick the OAS timer. Additionally, the OAS timer itself lasts between 0 and 20 seconds, a world of difference in an arena match. Consider decreasing the range, normalizing the timer to a set value, or switching it to the PvP enabled mechanic that exists in zones.
4. Villains have no ally grantable source of +perception in Sirens Call. Consider switching the order of clarity and sonic repulsion, adding +per to the /cold shields, or adding it to thaw. This in itself could go a long way towards fixing balance issues.
5. A good PvP build can be very different from a good PvE build, a fact which is frequently cited by people as a reason they don’t participate. Allow players to toggle between builds so they can use the same toon to be good at both PvE and PvP.
6. Instanced PvP missons are a highly requested feature. Many people would like to PvP, but would like a story or different tasks other than just “kill the most people on the other team.” Hero vs. villain safeguard/mayhem missions are the most popular request, but king of the hill and capture the flag are also frequently mentioned.
7. Observer bots have trouble following the fast paced and often stealthy action in arena matches. Greatly increase the speed of observer bots. Add an option to grant the drones +perception, but make sure it can be turned off.
8. Flight is currently not viable as a PvP travel power due to both its slow speed and the plethora of attacks and debuffs with –fly. Add –fly protection to some lesser used buffs such as O2 boost, /cold shields, and consider either reducing the suppression of flight or increasing flight speed overall.
9. There is no way to limit the tier of inspirations used in the arena, even though only tier 1s are sold at the arena store, and the vast majority of tournaments, leagues, ladders and arena nights ask players to limit inspiration use to a certain tier. An option to block all inspirations is also occasionally requested.
10. The lack of a PvP tutorial or some sort of training wheels for newcomers makes beginning PvP an overly difficult task. Consider adding an inventions style tutorial introducing the arena, zones, and basic PvP tactics. Another popular suggestion is a training wheels temp power, given as a reward for the Longbow/Arachnos liaison talk-to missions or for the tutorial which grants the owner super jump and +resistance for an hour or so of in game time.



Overall list needs a bunch of clean up and reformatting.

Updated vote tallies, 5 and greater:

Item Number of Requests
Selectable maps 74
Hero-Villain Balance 68 X
Cross-server PvP 49 X
Paid PvP Expansion 47 X
No Meaningful Rewards 46
OAS Timer Issues 44
Villain Lack of +per 42
PvP and PvE Builds 41
Instanced PvP Missions 38
Observer Bot Issues 33
Flight Not Viable 28
Inspiration Tier 27
PvP Tutorial/Training Wheels 22
Fury Bug 21
/pvpcount 20
Bounty System in All Zones 20
Non-SG Arena Match Caps 20
Arena Organized Tournies 15
CoP and IoPs 13
Remove System Matches 13
Cage Issues 9
Placate Bug 9
Dev Involvement 7
Coop Teaming in WB 6
Melee Viability 6
Terminals in Zones 6
Arena Level Issues 5


If anyone wants to help out/edit/reformat, etc, please let me know.

You guys totally could've gotten flames on your own if you'd waited.

@Ed-Wreck - Leader
@Ed-Wrecked - Leader
@W-D
@WD2
@ir0x0r
@r0x
@Not Putzing - Leader
@Still Not Putzing - Leader
@Goldie1
@Goldie2
@Veronica Venom
@Mickey Slo2
@Fulc
@Cuch
@MF Fire Wire
@Payne Bringer
@Inspector 6
@Inspector 7
@Craggs
@Wastelands
@NRGFX
@Cyco Aura
@helly
@-helly
@helly-
@-Ajax
@El Ajax
@mac daddy b
@mac b
@macnificent b
@Frost
@Labrynth
@Elite
@FooManChu
@hans
@-hans

Cleaning up roster by removing some retired accounts.

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You guys are just trying to get the little fire next to your roster thread, aren't you?

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All the cool kids have one.

@Panny Nanny - Leader
@Mykonos - Leader
@Ed-Wreck - Leader
@Ed-Wrecked - Leader
@W-D
@WD2
@ir0x0r
@r0x
@Not Putzing - Leader
@Still Not Putzing - Leader
@Goldie1
@Goldie2
@Veronica Venom
@Mickey Slo2
@Cuch
@MF Fire Wire
@Staticus
@Payne Bringer
@Inspector 6
@Inspector 7
@Craggs
@Wastelands
@NRGFX
@Cyco Aura
@helly
@-helly
@helly-
@-Ajax
@El Ajax
@mac daddy b
@mac b
@macnificent b
@Frost
@Labrynth
@Elite
@FooManChu
@hans
@-hans
@Hi-Fi
@Fulc

Adding Fifi's second account.

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Infinity is a good server. I've started toons on there and have found it quite a pleasant experience versus the chaos of Freedom.

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Do you Arena, zone or both?

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Brena's almost exclusively a zoner, but in the best possible way.

Infinity zones have seemed relatively populated to me. Not as busy as freedom, but well populated and seemingly less trash-talky. And the best part is that you can go from good zone action to things like, a live 5v5 tourney with JAL, Vel, and VR all fielding teams.

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I was told that if a dominator builds domination and goes into the arena with the bard up they can have domination up right away, can anyone confirm that? I'm sure it's a bug, would be useful to fix.

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Oh, interesting, I'll check that.


Also I did check the domination while teamed in duels thing after Lacuna said he thought it didn't work. It does. The deal is, domination from your secondary always builds at "zomg uber pvp bonus" rate independent of whether or not your teamed. Domination from your primary builds faster when teamed.

Just to update, my finals week has ended up being slightly more hellish than I anticipated. I've made progress on clean up and introduction, but it's not done yet. Hopefully I'll be able to put up a fully cleaned introduction and list for final revisions and edits tonight or tomorrow.

Okay, closing up voting. Here's the list of things with 10 votes or more.

Item Number of Requests
Selectable maps 68
Hero-Villain Balance 63
Cross-server PvP 45
Paid PvP Expansion 42
No Meaningful Rewards 41
PvP and PvE Builds 39
OAS Timer Issues 38
Villain Lack of +per 38
Instanced PvP Missions 31
Observer Bot Issues 29
Flight Not Viable 27
Inspiration Tier 26
PvP Tutorial/Training Wheels 21
Fury Bug 20
/pvpcount 19
Bounty System in All Zones 19
Non-SG Arena Match Caps 18
Accolades while Exemping 14
Arena Organized Tournies 14
Remove System Matches 13
CoP and IoPs 11

Off of these we're going to construct a priority list/introduction. Items that don't make it into the priority list but still got more than 10 votes will get noted as honorable mentions in the general list.

With 4 or more votes:

Item Number of Requests
Selectable maps 59
Hero-Villain Balance 53
Cross-server PvP 41
No Meaningful Rewards 34
Paid PvP Expansion 34
Villain Lack of +per 32
OAS Timer Issues 30
PvP and PvE Builds 29
Flight Not Viable 25
Inspiration Tier 25
Instanced PvP Missions 25
Observer Bot Issues 25
Non-SG Arena Match Caps 18
PvP Tutorial/Training Wheels 18
/pvpcount 17
Fury Bug 16
Bounty System in All Zones 15
Arena Organized Tournies 12
Remove System Matches 11
CoP and IoPs 7
Accolades while Exemping 6
Cage Issues 6
Dev Involvement 6
Placate Bug 6
Arena Level Issues 4
MM Arena Issues 4
Sirens Bounty Bugs 4

Latest count:

Item Number of Requests
Selectable maps 55
Hero-Villain Balance 50
Cross-server PvP 39
Paid PvP Expansion 32
No Meaningful Rewards 31
Villain Lack of +per 31
OAS Timer Issues 28
PvP and PvE Builds 27
Observer Bot Issues 25
Inspiration Tier 24
Flight Not Viable 23
Instanced PvP Missions 23
PvP Tutorial/Training Wheels 18
Non-SG Arena Match Caps 17
Fury Bug 15
/pvpcount 14
Bounty System in All Zones 14
Arena Organized Tournies 11
Remove System Matches 10
Cage Issues 6
CoP and IoPs 6
Placate Bug 6
Accolades while Exemping 5
Arena Level Issues 4
Dev Involvement 4

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Why isn't "Defense is useless" up there? I see exactly no mention of the single worst imbalance out of all the ATs/Powersets. Honestly, there is no way anyone can honestly say that ToHit vs Defense is balanced. Especially with the ridiculous amount of ToHit buffs players get (not even mentioning the ones NPCs get), there is NO reason for "Fix Defense/ToHit" not to be the number one priority.

This imbalance makes /Energy Aura, /Super Reflexes, /Ninjutsu, Ice/ (to a lesser extent, what with the insane amount of utility Ice gets), and any set relying on Defense virtually useless in PvP. Buildup, Aim, Rage, Focussed Accuracy, Geas of the Kind Ones, all of these completely negate Defense sets, and for a set like /Energy Aura, that relies completely on it's Defense (another problem entirely), it is virtually the same as the player becoming an AV for 10 seconds or more. The only way these sets survive are through their Tier9s, which double-stacked Rage (easily achievable), Buildup+AIm, or Geas can easily get through.

Fix Defense/ToHit first.

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Well, two people have mentioned this now, so perhaps we should create a spin off thread discussing the issue?

My big concern is that any nerf to tohit ends up acting as a buff to rads and ice tanks (definitely not a good idea), but we can start a discussion section to see where majority opinion is on that.

This time the cut is 4 or more votes:

Item Number of Requests
Selectable maps 51
Hero-Villain Balance 45
Cross-server PvP 35
Paid PvP Expansion 29
Villain Lack of +per 28
No Meaningful Rewards 27
OAS Timer Issues 27
PvP and PvE Builds 27
Inspiration Tier 23
Observer Bot Issues 23
Instanced PvP Missions 22
Flight Not Viable 21
Non-SG Arena Match Caps 17
PvP Tutorial/Training Wheels 17
/pvpcount 14
Bounty System in All Zones 13
Fury Bug 13
Remove System Matches 10
Arena Organized Tournies 9
Cage Issues 6
Placate Bug 6
CoP and IoPs 5
Accolades while Exemping 4
Arena Level Issues 4
Dev Involvement 4

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Example: I want to add '[censored]' and 'n00b' to the RPFilter. I would type, /rpfilter add [censored]; then /rpfilter add n00b. Then I would type, /rpfilter change [censored] silence; then /rpfilter change n00b worm. Next time someone told me "[censored] n00b" in the game while I had the rpfilter on I would hear "Silence worm!"

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That would be so damn cool. I could fix it so everyone actually talks as demonstrated in Gnome's awesome CoH PvPer cartoon.

Updated Tally:

Item Number of Requests
Selectable maps 40
Hero-Villain Balance 34
Cross-server PvP 28
Paid PvP Expansion 23
OAS Timer Issues 22
No Meaningful Rewards 20
Observer Bot Issues 20
PvP and PvE Builds 19
Villain Lack of +per 19
Inspiration Tier 18
Instanced PvP Missions 18
Flight Not Viable 16
Non-SG Arena Match Caps 14
PvP Tutorial/Training Wheels 14
/pvpcount 10
Bounty System in All Zones 10
Fury Bug 10
Remove System Matches 9
Arena Organized Tournies 7
Placate Bug 5
Cage Issues 4
CoP and IoPs 4
Arena Level Issues 3
Sirens Bounty Bugs 3

Note that Killobot's votes got tabulated in this count rather than the earlier one because of the post edit.

Again, cut off is greater than or equal to three votes:

Item Number of Requests
Selectable maps 32
Hero-Villain Balance 26
Cross-server PvP 20
OAS Timer Issues 18
Paid PvP Expansion 18
Observer Bot Issues 17
PvP and PvE Builds 15
Villain Lack of +per 15
Inspiration Tier 14
Instanced PvP Missions 14
No Meaningful Rewards 14
Flight Not Viable 13
Non-SG Arena Match Caps 11
PvP Tutorial/Training Wheels 11
/pvpcount 10
Fury Bug 8
Remove System Matches 7
Bounty System in All Zones 6
Arena Organized Tournies 5
Placate Bug 5
Arena Level Issues 3
Cage Issues 3
CoP and IoPs 3

Yay! Thank you Pax.

Item Number of Requests
Selectable maps 26
Hero-Villain Balance 19
Cross-server PvP 16
OAS Timer Issues 15
Paid PvP Expansion 15
Observer Bot Issues 13
Villain Lack of +per 13
Inspiration Tier 12
No Meaningful Rewards 12
Instanced PvP Missions 11
PvP and PvE Builds 10
Flight Not Viable 9
Non-SG Arena Match Caps 9
/pvpcount 8
PvP Tutorial/Training Wheels 8
Remove System Matches 7
Bounty System in All Zones 5
Fury Bug 5
Arena Organized Tournies 4
Arena Level Issues 3
Cage Issues 3
CoP and IoPs 3
Placate Bug 3

You're only supposed to vote on a max of 10ish items (11 or 12 is okay, 20 is not). Try cutting that down to your priorities?

Due to the growing size, now sticking with things that have 3 or more votes.

Item Number of Requests
Selectable maps 21
Hero-Villain Balance 16
Cross-server PvP 14
OAS Timer Issues 13
Paid PvP Expansion 11
No Meaningful Rewards 10
PvP and PvE Builds 10
Villain Lack of +per 10
Instanced PvP Missions 9
Observer Bot Issues 9
Inspiration Tier 8
Non-SG Arena Match Caps 8
/pvpcount 7
Flight Not Viable 7
Remove System Matches 7
PvP Tutorial/Training Wheels 6
Bounty System in All Zones 5
Arena Organized Tournies 4
Fury Bug 4
Arena Level Issues 3
Cage Issues 3
CoP and IoPs 3

Current list for items with two or more votes:


Item Number of Requests
Selectable maps 17
Cross-server PvP 12
Hero-Villain Balance 12
OAS Timer Issues 11
Villain Lack of +per 9
No Meaningful Rewards 8
Observer Bot Issues 8
Paid PvP Expansion 8
PvP and PvE Builds 8
/pvpcount 7
Flight Not Viable 7
Instanced PvP Missions 7
Remove System Matches 7
Inspiration Tier 6
Non-SG Arena Match Caps 6
Bounty System in All Zones 5
PvP Tutorial/Training Wheels 5
Fury Bug 4
Arena Organized Tournies 3
CoP and IoPs 3
Arena Level Issues 2
Cage Issues 2
MM Arena Issues 2
Placate Bug 2
Sirens Bounty Bugs 2
SO-Insp choice 2

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8. Don't see this one but...exemp'ing and keeping accolades and set bonuses? (at least from the powers you had by the exemp'd level)

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Accolades while exemping is on the main list, but not on the mini list because it hasn't gotten any votes so far. Get a few more people to vote for it and hopefully it can make the short list.