New_Dark_Age
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Quote:Maybe the moderators are not as irrational as you and have no desire to ban a post because a couple of posters tell them too.Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
Wow, I'm amazed this thread is still here... either the mods are asleep at the board, or they're using this thread to stress-test the forum servers before they melt down, implode, or simply disintegrate.
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Quote:Its all related. Not to hard to understand. Society is becoming more stupid, politically correct and emasculate(weak) so movies are becoming more stupid, politically correct and emasculate (weak). Movies are just reflecting the population.Originally Posted by SuperOz
So alright....I was going to make a post about why Hollywood mainstream films are bad, which had nothing to do with political correctness, emasculation, the Communist Party or some sort of agenda which I presume the OP knows but noone else seems to be able to decipher, but wanting to 'dominate' an argument?
I'm sorry, did I miss the part of the forums that said by virtue of my gender, I was obligated to intellectually beat you into submission to become the 'alpha male'? Or you me, for that matter?
You started this thread with a very clear agenda, and that agenda had little to do with movies and more about your viewpoints on society, gender equality, racial equality and moral/racial/cultural superiority.
Quote:Originally Posted by SuperOz
No, I'm not going to debate film with you even though unlike yourself I actually am qualified to discuss film, having graduated from university with a degree in filmmaking and film analysis. You made it clear when you started in on sexual and racial grounds why both areas were, shall we say, 'not as able as white males' where your argument was rooted.
Yeah cause we all know degrees make a person smart. Degree in film making? ....So what you are a technician? A person with a degree in History, Psychology, Philosophy or Geography is more qualified to discuss the CONTENT of movies than you with their knowledge of historical facts, human behavior, cultural knowledge and population concensus.
How would getting a degree in film help you explain the rationality of the content of the film? Somehow you getting a degree in film rewrites history and makes slaves in 1775 South Carolina free or justifies the emasculation of men in film? Hardly.
Quote:Originally Posted by SuperOz
You sir, are a troll. Do not expect a reply from me should you respond, because I have learned the first lesson: do not feed the troll. However, this post is an exception as I feel you need some basic nutrients in order to sustain the lack of credibility you continue to demonstrate here.
You attack anyone who disagrees with you. You then scramble to strawman arguments when directly called out upon your actual agenda in an attempt to give yourself legitimacy.
I would urge any and all posters to simply read the posts to date, acknowledge the trolling for what it is and let the thread perish and the original poster suffer the consequences for his deliberate behavior.
S.
Good to see that you want whatever you disagree with banned. Guess that Film degree of yours did not teach you a thing about Constitutional law or the logic of Voltaire. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Blood Red Arachnid
^Its called Godwin's law. The longer an online discussion grows, the probability of a comparison involving Nazi's or Hitler approaches 1.
From my experience, anyone who bothers to comment about how they're winning an argument or how someone else is losing is a troll. Just let this thread die.
Yeah posting " OPs opinion does not matter" and posting condescending pictures is not trolling. Giving people who do such things their just rewards is.
Good to see that if you don't agree with the topic, you want it banned. Truth is so reviled isnt it.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Innovator
Cause it happens in real life. Companies hire the best person for the job no matter where they are. Just last year, a Norwegian company had commissioned my brother to oversee the opening of their stores all over the world (and no he isn't white). He ended up traveling to several locations around world staying at each location for a month or two including Norway. I'm pretty sure they could have found someone in Norway to do it, but they wanted him.
Besides, its not like hiring from America or even coming here means the US Government knows automatically what is going on.
Understandable but wasn't the Norweign base in the THING a facility controlled by the Norweign government? To my knowledge it was not a company. What company would seek profits in Anarctica?
So if it was a governmental facility , the Norweigns hiring an American scientist to study alien remains they want kept secret is equivalent to Americans hiring a Norweign scientist to study the suspected alien remains at Roswell , New Mexico and then letting the scientist return to Norway when they want the discovery hidden from the public. The Norweign is not bound by American law.
If the directors had any boldness the film should have been in Norweign but I guess the moronic populace does not want to suffer the agony of reading subtitles. The American scientists was just an excuse to put an American in the movie and have the movie in English. America after all is the center of the world..according to the wise American population. -
Quote:Ha , gotchaOriginally Posted by SinisterDirge
Yep. Braveheart 2
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Quote:lol I was actually stationed in Alaska and saw Sarah Palin twice. Our predeployment ceremony she gave a speech and did an awful HOOOAAHHHHH and everyone in the formation felt uncomfortable lolOriginally Posted by SinisterDirge
Sarah Palin was a producer on that film and insisted that the movie properly represent the way jobs should go to hard working Americans rather than be shunted off to commie immigrants.
Now, I know logic dictates that if they don't actually live in America, they are not immigrants, but since everyone wants to live in America, because it is the best, the whole world is really filled with commie potential immigrants. Hooah.
Commie immigrants? Did someone rewrite the history books or something. Norway was communist and in the Warsaw Pact rather than NATO?
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Quote:Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
Problem is, lately at least, you enter every conversation like it is a battle. Anyone that agrees with you is your pal, and anyone that disagrees is an idiot that begs to be belittled. On top of that, as soon as you don't get a reaction, you resort to sensationalism so that way, at least people are paying attention to you.
As for this particular topic, any "authority" you may have had evaporated with your praise of Braveheart 2. I wouldn't normally say that that is of course my opinion, but it seems that some things need to be spelled out.
There was a Braveheart 2 or did you mean to type "too" ?
I spoke of the problems with Braveheart. It was entertaining overall but riddled with ridiculous inaccuracies. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
I think we're having way too much fun at Whats-His-Name's expense, already. I mean, I can understand that causing a racist, misogynist, close-minded fool to foam at the mouth is fun and all (and I speak hypothetically of course; not pointing my finger at anyone here at all, nope!), but at some point it's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Dead fish.
Point blank.
With a bazooka.
Yeah because logic is on your side. Not like Norweigns hiring a person NOT BOUND BY NORWEIGN LAW to study alien remans they want kept secret is stupid or anything. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Yours, actually. I thought that was obvious, but just in case it wasn't apparent.
Hm so by giving me a mathematical example of how the simplest solution is often wrong you are trying to prove that the simplest solution for the Norweigns to do in the THING was to hire a paleontologist from Norway but somehow this was wrong and the correct solution was to go to a foreign government and hire someone NOT BOUND BY NORWEIGN LAW when they wanted to keep their discovery a secret?
How? That makes no sense.
You gotta forgive me I aint as fast as you chief. Trying to see the connection your math has to rational behavior. -
Quote:Resorting to posting pictures to handle your deficiency in deductive logic and reasoning ?Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I am sure your degree in mathematics makes you an excellent movie critic. -
Quote:First THING had no women in it. It was a great movie. Maybe the new THING should not have tried to fix what wasn't broken.Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
fix'd!
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Quote:And apparently you are the intellectual big shot of these forums? No wonder you people are so easy to dominate in an argument if you are the best these forums can produce.Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Stick with math ace. -
Quote:So who pays the people to make bad reviews on IMB and stuff ? Rival studios ? While studios no doubt pay people to promote their movies by giving good reviews on IMB ...who pays people to give bad reviews as you say ? Does not really seem economical for DC to pay a couple dozen people to write a bad review on Iron Man 2 when they could spend money elsewhere. I am not saying it doesnt happen... I just do not see it happening nearly as much as companies paying people to promote movies by giving good reviews.Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
the blade cuts both ways
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Quote:Being fictional is not the problem...being irrational, silly and emasculate is. I have an imagination and can , for example, go along with the story in the THING 2011 about an alien crashing thousands of years ago in Anarctica. What I cannot go along with is the fact that these Norweigns, who according to the movie wanted to keep the alien discovery a secret, would travel to the USA and hire an American scientist rather than someone from Norway.Originally Posted by Tenzhi
I completely support your use of historical facts where you've applied them to non-fictional historical accounts. Fictional stories, however, are called fiction for a reason.
Historical movies have more of a responsibility in my opinion, even fictional stories that take place in a historical background. The movie BRAVEHEART was a fun movie to watch yet it is a mess of historical inaccuracies. The movie was also insulting to my intelligence as it tried to make you believe that at the Battle of Stirling a lesser equiped Scottish army outnumbered 3 to 1 could defeat a much larger English force on open ground simply cause they were determined enough. In reality the Scots only won the battle because they caught the English army crossing a bridge and were able to bottleneck them before they could cross. (The Battle is actually called Battle of Stirling Bridge)
Movies can be fictional but they cannot throw all sense out the window and expect to be good. In Superman Returns, I could believe that he could disappear for 5 years to explore Krypton... what was contrived and made no sense was how he did not tell anyone including Lois before he left. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Mystic_Fortune
I don't have to read between the lines, it's fairly obvious you have some serious issues.
Racism, Bigotry, Misogyny. Terrible human being trifecta. At this point, I don't care if this gets modded and I'm warned, I gotta get this off my chest: I'm really ashamed to hear someone like you was at one point, defending our nation.
lol yeah racism....not like I am using historical facts
Explain to me how me stating that there is no "LOGICAL" reason a black man would be on a Norweign base or how there is no "LOGICAL REASON free blacks would be in a movie based in 1775 South Carolina or that the Samurai stood against the Meiji Revolution in Japan is Racism ? -
Quote:Wow thank you , thank you thank youOriginally Posted by Mystic_Fortune
There's a difference?
Also, New_Dark_Age, wow... just... wow.
You and Vox just proved my point
You will not even look at the VALIDITY of what I posed. You will instead look for words in the text and say "GOTCHA !!! You said BLACK MAN " !!
No wonder movies are so foolish today.
Let me repeat that..... YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT LOGIC... ONLY FEELINGS ...THAT IS WHY MOVIES SUCK TODAY.
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Quote:You are with me but staying far away from me? What are you Mr. Fantastic?Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
OK, I'm with you on this one here, LOL.
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Quote:Transformers 1 came out in 2007. Thats when I first saw it. I was in Iraq the year after. Transfomers 2 came out towards the end of my deployment.Originally Posted by Lastjustice
First off, did you even like Transformers before the film? If yes, what version as there's been many continuity's. If no, then may be it wasn't for you. It doesn't make any one stupid for liking it, just like I hate coffee. It doesn't make everyone who drinks it unrefined mules for liking it. It's different tastes. I know history, and been in the armed force(USAF), but sometimes I just want a movie that's fun.
I like transformers because I always have. my inner 6 year old comes out in full force when I saw the trialer for first time. There's just something awesome about giant transforming robots beating crap out of each other.
Bunch of people I know liked the movies though ranging from my 50 something mom, my 70 year old coworker I borrowed my DVDs to, and 20 something Ex girlfriend who went to see Revenge of the fallen without after I showed her the first movie. My sisters kids loved it, as my nephew turned to me, and said thank you Mike for bringing me before movie was even over as he was that into it back when he was 5 for first film. I don't have to explain to them why Optimus Prime one of the greater fictional characters ever, they know and understand for themselves.
Are weak spots and thing I'd changed if I had chance. Absolutely, but as a huge fan of the Ip, even if I hated the films I couldn't deny how much it's done for the franchise. I see it as a win no matter what happens after the 3rd film. Sorry you hated the films and were surrounded by off duty. That said, you re overreactting a bit about.
(P.S. I love a good rant as much as next guy, but you went entirely too long without making enough points for all surplus.)
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Quote:You want examples of stupidity, emasculation and political corretness in flims?Originally Posted by Smersh
What you call political correctness? I call a very basic level of respect for people unlike yourself.
Clearly, you feel no need to treat people unlike you with a basic level of respect.
And then you whine when the people you treat without respect don't treat you with respect.
I'll leave the rest as an exercise for the reader.
THE THING 2011
Ok so why is there a BLACK MAN on a Norweign base in Antarctica? Guess there are so many blacks in Norway right. Wonder why he was put into the movie. Cater the the black audience ? Kinda insulting to my intelligence.
Why is there a woman on the base? Yeah I am sure an isolated weather or whatever station in the most isolated place on Earth is where a woman would be..not like its a mans job or anything..This movie takes place in the early 80s too. That girl must get passed around more than a joint.
FLY BOYS
Yeah of course the main character James Franco is ok with rooming with a black man, being he is from Texas and this takes place in 1917 where racial tolerance was at its peak
Black Fighter Pilot..yeah cause there we so many of those in World War One.
THE PATRIOT
Entertaining film.....but free blacks in 1775 South Carolina ? Yeah not like South Carolina was the most Southern of Southern states and first to secede from the Union or anything before the Civil War.
G.I. JANE
Yeah cause a woman can really survive Navy Seal training....insulting to all Navy Seals
ALIENS VS PREDATOR
Leadership figure is a woman..yeah let me tell you she is really convincing when she lays down the law and tells everyone "Dont be a hero" and not to help anyone in trouble. I really bought that
Gotta love these female warrior figures that are coming out...Centurion , King Arthur, Pirates of the Carribbean .. cause women are so convincing at it.
LAST SAMURAI
Of course Tom Cruise is a badass who hates his commander for slaughtering Native Americans. After all, Tom Cruises character was born in the middle of the Nineteenth Century when people loved Native Americans. Not like we had recently expanded West at their expense.
Not only is Tom Cruise racially sound and politically correct but he supports the old order of Samurai that is standing against the industrialization and modernization of Japan. Nah , lets not modernize Japan...lets keep it a undeveloped feudal country controlled by the Shogunate and ransack the rail roads.
No wonder these people were so stupid to charge into gatling gun fire on horses. No doubt Japanese laugh at this film.
PEARL HARBOR
Luckly in reality we did not have these young, girly punks defending Uncle Sam in WW2 or we would have been in trouble. We went from Midway (1976) to this (2001) ?
TEEN MOVIES
A lot of these movies came out when I was in high school or after. I could never watch these as the guys in the movie are total whimps. With these weak male characters being in these teen movies no wonder our youth is so enfeeble.
CANT HARDLY WAIT
Yeah go obsess and chase after the girl who is dating the Jock..write her a love note ..wuss
AMERICAN PIE
Parts of this were funny. But watching the jock being all sweet to the girl made me sick. After she angrily storms off about him being a Jerk , he tries to explain himself to her instead of him just not giving a crap and letting her walk away like a real man would.
Guy also has to beg and apologize to his girl friend cause he said out loud " I want to get laid" So he is apologizing for being a man ? Might as well get neutered putz.
SUPER BAD
I will admit I enjoyed this movie overall. The main character.. tall skinny kid, is such a wuss. He is not only insecure but he also fails to bang that girl when he had the chance because she was drunk or something. What a chump. Thats ok... Im sure that win you points in heaven. He should have took some tips from McLovin
I dont know when the emasculation started..maybe with the show FRIENDS or something. Guys having platonic relationships with women lol .... weird -
Quote:Go there and judge for yourself and then watch Iron Man 2. The critics have legitimate arguments while the fans say simple things like " it was so uber and awesome" . The rest smell like they are from the studio.Originally Posted by Ironblade
And this means what?
In your own words:
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Quote:Careful...some people here might call you ignorant : POriginally Posted by BrandX
<_< I thought The Patriot was a really well done movie myself. >_>
1) Greed.
2) Political Correctness.
PCness just ruins everything.
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Quote:I might have said that. Not sure although I do not remember talking about that in my initial post.Originally Posted by Tenzhi
No weirder than it started out, really. Before editing, the OP indirectly made it clear that functional male genitalia were essential to knowing/making good movies. The references to neutering merely continue that opinion trend.
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Quote:" This is what not being neutered is like."Originally Posted by Schismatrix
"Hey kids, this is ignorance by choice looks like.
Carry on.
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Quote:You do not even know what the word ignorance means chief. "Oh yeah, New Dark Age does not share my pacifistic, liberal views....he must be ignorant........aka not neutered. He should be neutered like me and like these new spiritless, politically correct, emasculate movies otherwise we will him call him, backwards, unenlightened and ignorant. Not like New Dark Age's views are reinforced by historical precedents such as the logic of Patriarchal societies in building civilizations by use of violence."Originally Posted by Schismatrix
To me this sums up the essentials of why the thread's premise is superficial, shortsighted and narrowminded. Later posts reinforced that studying history is useless if you refuse to allow it to broaden your perspective or even learn from studying history. (Or the present.) i really wish that had come as a surprise, but extolling jingoism as a virtue basically confirms that there is nothing useful there.
Some of the other posts are interesting, but i've come to realize that at least one poster has nothing to offer, except perhaps to serve as an object lesson: "Hey kids, this is ignorance by choice looks like. It's almost impossible to ameliorate and will happily advocate pain and suffering for anyone who differs with great pride and satisfaction. Try not to be like that."
Carry on.
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Quote:They gave the villain a lazy motive. They put no work in the story. Thats the bottomline. And they passed it off like it was ok which insulted my intelligence.Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
It wasn't clear to you that the villain was insane? He wasn't behaving rationally because he was irrational. As a History Major, you should know that not all historical figures proceed on a rational course of action, so why would you expect fictional characters to behave the same way?
I have my problems with nuTrek, but the villain's motivations is way low on the list.
I also have to say, you are pretty much the first person I have ever encountered first hand who thought The Patroit was anything but a bowl of excrement. Your whole War Movie rant reeked of jingoism.
Nothing wrong with jingoism. Plus the Patriot was fun to watch dispite historical inaccuracies.