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Is that really the same thing? Did Conall promise anything to Akando? All I saw him say was "Your ancestor was an idiot. You're not much smarter. You're going to die badly. I'm in charge now."
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Quote:I'm willing to chalk this up as 'point made'. This was all I wanted to do, was to see if you could understand that some of us enjoy games with a deeper story than Sonic the Hedgehog. If you're willing to accept that some folks do understand the concept of acceptable losses, that there can be heroes who believe the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, then I have no problem with your desire for a story no more complex than "this man is evil, beat him up."Originally Posted by Golden Girl
And it will - there's no reason why you can't go to Praetoria as a Hero, and find Tyrant's form of law enforcement more to your liking than what you've been used to on Primal Earth.
There are plenty of jokes about the Zig having a revolving door instead of a gate, so in Praetoria, you can pursue a more aggressive type of crimefighting, without being held back by annoying things like legality, the courts, defendants' rights and so on.
It'll be the purest form of justice - a criminal target will be identified, and you'll be sent to take it out - permanently.
And the almost crime-free paradise of Praetoria is vindication of everything you've always thought crime fighting should really be about.
In Praetoria, you'll be able to be the be the force of justice you've always wanted to be - you'll be a true hero, and do things your way - the right way.
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Quote:Actually, the morality thing had nothing to do with Tyrant in the first place. I thought the point of Going Rouge was supposed to introduce 'falling' from grace, as in Heroes questioning the morals they thought they believed in. Instead when I'm seeing is people willfully saying 'heck with this' and willfully choosing to jump sides. The way it looks to me, it may as well be an option on the difficulty slider contact.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It was never there in the first place
Too many Tyrant apologists have been building their own version of GR in their heads, and not actually been following what the devs have been saying
I want to fight bosses.
I want to fight Arch Villains at their full power.
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Quote:You may have a point, but I always just pictured it as a mercenary type. A kind of soldier, sort of.Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
How about "Marauder?"
@Golden Girl: Yeah, hope isn't something I'm that good at anyway. Heck, the whole expansion feels kinda meh to me now, since by everything I'm seeing it feels like they threw out the entire gray morality aspect. -
Heck, they didn't even have to do that much, all they really needed to do was go through and replace the name Tyrant with Emperor Cole. At the most, I can see the Resistance members you meet calling him 'a' tyrant. What I'd really like to know is, what did Cole call himself BEFORE becoming world leader, or did the governments and people of the world gladly and willfully hand over control to a man who was calling himself Tyrant at the time?
Of course, that doesn't help with Mother Mayham's name, but at least the rest of the 'team' doesn't have outwardly evil names, as far as I can remember.
@Sam: Oh yeah, the ret-con is obvious here, made the worse if the Praetors continue to call the man who's supposed to be the benevolent leader of the world "Tyrant". -
Quote:Ever since they full story of Praetoria came out, I've felt that the name Tyrant is actually an example of bad comic writing. Especially if we get the name from his generals. These are the people that agree with him, and publicly support his Utopia. It makes as much sense as a certain white haired radical who's proclaimed goals of protecting mutant kind from the oppression of Humans calling his group of freedom fighters the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It shouldn't be - CoH is a comic book game, so when you're sent to investigate an alternative world ruled by a guy called Tyrant, you shouldn't really expect him to be a good guy
My comic example has been ret-conned to a more neutral name, I can only hope that with Going Rogue the name Tyrant will be ret-conned out of existence as well. -
Quote:Actually, no. If you read the text Statesman doesn't actually have any reason to send you to the Rogue Isles other than "Recluse is building...something." It could just as easily have been an orphanage that the Task Force tears down, which gives Recluse a legitimate reason to hand to his people on why the Vigilantes of Paragon City are dangerous. Not to mention that the invasion, had there not been an item of major threat being built, would be considered another illegal invasion of the Etoile Isles by agents of the American government.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, there's a little more to it than just "Statesman says so"
As in Recluse presenting a clear and imminent worldwide threat - so the forces of law and order are entitled to remove that threat at once.
Oh and for the rest of you, when I mentioned meta-gaming to GG in a PM, she told me that it's OK because she doesn't Role Play, so all of this is really her actual opinion. -
Quote:I may have said I'm not jumping into the Resistance with some of my characters, but that doesn't mean I'm avoiding it with all of them. I will still experience both sides of the story, just on different characters. Meanwhile, Golden Girl has said repeatedly that she will never play CoV because she's "better than that."Originally Posted by Slashman
Purposely missing an entire chunk of well-written(I dearly hope) and fresh content because you think you are taking some kind of moral high ground in a world made entirely of the contents of your hard drive and the developers' servers is so ridiculous it really isn't all that funny.
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Sooner, if I remember right, 'Trix is one of your characters, right? Would it be possible to get a screenshot of her and Conall together? I keep seeing her in my minds eye ans somewhere between the size of the VetPet imp and Baby New Year.
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Well, the people that make this game and are in charge of it's rules are called red-names, so clearly, those are the most powerful enemies. Everything else is a cake walk in comparison. Why yes, even that big thing with the car.
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Last minute notice: We only have two arcs submitted for next weeks show. If you have an arc, PLEASE submit it tonight. We make our selection on Saturday afternoon, so the next 18 hours are the best time to come forward.
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Here's one that's more fun Redside: The cape/Aura missions. Heroside it's a bunch of FedEx and a stack of hunt missions, while Redside it's actual door missions, and the chance to beat up a Hero.
Also: Respec Trials. -
OK, I'm trying to be good, but I do have one more point.
When Going Rogue comes out, unless there is solid, irrefutable in-game evidence at the get go, the only reason any of my Heroes would step foot onto Praetorian soil would be to help Emperor Cole maintain the peace. They wouldn't help the Freakshow take down our government and they won't help this "Resistance" do the same.
Meanwhile, my Villains will probably be more evenly split. Some of them joining Tyrant to oppress the innocent, and some joining the Resistance to share notes on how to topple governments. -
Quote:Actually, I believe that's an Infected, not a Contaminated. Mechanically the same critter, but one counts and the other does not.Originally Posted by DoctorParadox
Quote:Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Just a quick note...
however, how about when Positron said that there would be NO other way to earn the Isolator badge except to earn it through killing a random Contaminated that spawned once an hour in Recluse's Victory....
well... on an unrelated not, there IS a natural spawn of contaminated in Atlas park. although it hardly counts, the poor little guy is just tragic. near the southwestern corner, between a warehouse and the warwalls, a lone contaminated thug spawns sometimes, vomiting constantly. when I first found him, I was afraid to breath on him too hard. is it a practical way to get the badge? no. but it's fun to find. -
Saw this thread on the forum list. It sounds like it could be fun. However, PvP tends to be the source of a lot of bad blood back home on Protector. Especially PvP that involves transferring characters.
If I were to make a suggestion, you may want to hold up until I17 goes open beta, or maybe set it up for a lower level Arena match, so we can start new characters here instead. -
Well, you can increase the 'epicness' with more than just AV status. You might consider adding objectives, like having to fight through guards before spawning the end boss, or having the final EB set to extreme while the AV was a lower difficulty. That way, the second mission will be tough, but the final one would be difficult.
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Quote:But he didn't. I did, and you're right, that was uncool. To the Original Poster, I'm sorry.Originally Posted by Seldom
Fleeting: if you don't like this topic, it's best to leave it be, not to change the subject.
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Quote:That's funny right there.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But if they're harmless, then we're no danger to them
Hang on, let's go back a bit, you said:
If a Resistance member's distress call. The Resistance. This worlds criminal element. These are the people breaking the law,and disturbing the peace. Not just the laws you have deemed evil, but things like public endangerment, abduction, and sedition. If our agents hear about the location of a criminal in a foreign country the only reason we would go over there is to help bring them in!Quote:Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Not really - if a Resistance member or distress call from them reaches Primal Earth, Statesman and the other heroes are duty-bound to investigate it.
Obviously, they wouldn't just go crashing in there - they have to see who was asking for help, if it was genuine and so on - and as Paretoria is a poweful world, kicking off a war with them right away while the Rikti are still causing trouble here probably wouldn't be sensible - so I'm sure Statesman will suggest other heroes infiltrate Praetoria and bring back a full report on the situation there -
Quote:Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
How do you figure?Her Hero-Con gods told her.Quote:Originally Posted by Golden Girl
See above
What you don't realize GG, is that any of those worlds, had they a standing government left, could actually and successfully accuse our government of a number of crimes, up to and including acts of war. -
Quote:They go undercover WITHIN OUR OWN BORDERS. Utopia is out of our jurisdiction, plain and simple.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Actually, we can
Cops go undercover to catch criminals, so super-cops go undercover to catch super-criminals - and they don't come much more super-criminal-ish than a mass-murdering super-dictator -
Spies and subterfuge, eh? Well, that may work in comics, where masked vigilantes are apart from any government, but in Paragon City we're legitimate badge carrying members of the police force. We are acting as an agent of our government and have to follow the rules when we enter foreign ground, INCLUDING extra-dimentional ones. Which means no snooping. So we can't get our proof that way.
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Quote:Wrong. You have to prove it BEFORE you start the 1-20 content, or you are Tyrants equal in action, as well as thought.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Have to wait for the 1-20 content for that
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Quote:OK, now give an in game one. Show me proof.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I was giving an out-of-game explaination
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Quote:To the player, yes. However, for the characters this is still nothing more than a religious nut saying "My god says these people are evil! Go ransack their world!"Originally Posted by Golden Girl
So the devs saying things like "it's not the Resistance that's the threat, it's Tyrant", "Cole is a tyrant", and referring to his government as a "totalitarian regime", and Chimera, as head of the secret police, being responsible for more murders than the rest of Tyrant's enforcers put together, along with the mass murder of thousands of super powered people and any of their families that wondered where they'd disappeared to, and saying they used books like "1984" as inspiration for Praetoria doesn't sort of hint a little bit about the true nature of the Praetorian government?
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Quote:And this comment can be considered proof that only a specific form of government will be deemed acceptable.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
That's not up to me to decide
You want to invade a sovereign government based solely on mysterious signs and portents from some spooky all seeing deity that some how gives you the right to ignore a little thing like PROBABLE CAUSE. You sill have no evidence, and no reason to attack this government out side of your 'holy texts' that say the government is evil.Quote:It' not religious - it's a crusade for freedom
You still have to prove it.Quote:It can still be a crime against normal human morality
Probably not, since these people have grown up without crime or homelessness or war.Quote:Originally Posted by Golden Girl
So brainwashing and propaganda have nothing to do with it?
There needs to be evidence at the start, or it's an open act of war.Quote:By the end of the 1-20 content, they'll ALL be shown to be evil