Lynxz

How about this for Vigilance 2.0:

For every 1% above 60% health the defender gains 1% damage buff for a max of 40% damage at 100% health. Also for every 1% below 50% health the defender gains 1.5% endurance discount for a max of 73.5% end discount at 1% health.

This rewards the defender doing well with a bit more damage (also helping solo play) and keeps the idea that the defender can afford powers to help save himself (and team) when in trouble.

The numbers can be adjusted and possibly tied to the entire teams health percentage instead of just the defender but i think something like this would be perfect as it would give the defender worthwhile damage when then team is otherwise solid (like a fully def capped team taking little damage). The solo implications are good too. A bit more damage when high health (makes slotting -tohit and such more useful) and some personal end discount when hurtin.

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You're right, a set that has issues doesn't need to be further handicapped. The best we can tell, EA as a stand-alone power is too good. Thus the Devs want to bring it back down a few notches, so the power is not abused.

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No, its not too good, its just right. Its other ice powers that need a boost. EA is just the one that makes the set workable.
Once again ill ask. HOW is it being abused? Its obvious we cant tank AVs with it. Even with the EA change proposal we can floor +0 mob accuracy against us. Also with higher and higher lvl mobs we need increasingly more mobs to drain with EA to get our 95% defence, which balances with the fact that higher lvl mobs sneaking hits through do much more damage and we have no +res. Its working as intended. This doesnt take into account that we take alphas alot or that often because we havent the time to wait for many mobs to get close we fire off EA on only a few mobs to start and take more hits (since it didnt max DEF with too few yet) til it recycles. Only after all this sometimes can we floor mob to-hit at 5%.

Oh and yes we ice tanks are good at hibernating til we feel the need to shatter the silence. So, yes we are patiently waiting, hoping Geko repeals our EA change.

If you read through this thread and find the experience information on how EA affects battles you can see it is not overpowered. Sure it floors mobs your own level and close but given debuffs, mob accuracy and level fall off it balances with tougher and more deadly foes.

Dont get off track here people, this isnt about problems with other ice armor powers despite how much permafrost may need a boost. This is about the proposed change to EA.

Geko one of EAs advantages you state is that its a fast recharge click, however at its huge endurance cost i dont see that as so advantageous. Consider lowering its end cost or this idea of mine that ill repeat because it seems no one caught it: Have EA return some END (it fits with the flavor/name of the power anyway and would help poor end hog ice) so that 2 drained foes made it in effect free to use and 3+ was a gain to make up for now having to slot to stack it.

Ive read this thread and despite some of the arguments i still look at all this a bit differently. I dont actually care how i compare to an INV tank. I care only about the reason for, and effect of this possible change.

I would like to know what was the cause for the idea of this change? What was EA allowing that needs to be changed? Ice tanks werent herding better than the other sets because of it. All i know is on a mission i had with a huge room full of +2 nemesis the floored 5% ACC was still making me eat respites and Hoarfrost already, toss in a couple vengeance and i barely survived. With this change ill now die instantly in that very real non herd situation.

Once again please dont change EA at all.

Only way i could stomach a change is if it also returned some END (it fits with the flavor/name of the power anyway and would help poor end hog ice) so that 2 drained foes made it in effect free to use and 3+ was a gain to make up for now having to slot to stack it.

This needs to seriously not go live. Leave the only other (wet ice) great ice armor power alone please!