Lady Athyna

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I take credit for the mistake, but blame the fact-checker for being sick that day.

I think I can now safely say that I have forgotten more about this game than most will ever know, and I proved it.

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You know, I wish more folks could turn what might be viewed as a negative experience into a positive one. The world would be a happier place.

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Folks this Hamidon raid is MORE open to griefing.

How?

I take my group of Uber players into Hamidon and we set up camp there. We defeat Hamidon and STAY there. 50 man cap and no instancing means grief city.

If I refuse to leave even tho' I get no reward I effectively grief others.

As far as no holding making it more fun - how's that Sewer Trial doing now? Yes, no one does it. I am not encouraged by the description of this encounter.

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If ya'll want to hold the Hive open with 45 people and no Hammi, we can send 5 more people into your instance and the game will automatically spawn a new instance with Hammi.

Are ya'll making up ways to grief this?

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Actually, IIRC, if it is following tradition form, probably at about 40 a new hive will open.

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That's possible. It took a lot of folks last year on Freedom to spawn a second and a third Hive.

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Folks this Hamidon raid is MORE open to griefing.

How?

I take my group of Uber players into Hamidon and we set up camp there. We defeat Hamidon and STAY there. 50 man cap and no instancing means grief city.

If I refuse to leave even tho' I get no reward I effectively grief others.

As far as no holding making it more fun - how's that Sewer Trial doing now? Yes, no one does it. I am not encouraged by the description of this encounter.

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If ya'll want to hold the Hive open with 45 people and no Hammi, we can send 5 more people into your instance and the game will automatically spawn a new instance with Hammi.

Are ya'll making up ways to grief this?

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Before I'd gone through the story arc that gave Hamidon's backstory, I had assumed from the screenshots that Hamidon was some sort of Elder God of School Cafeteria Jello. The Mitocondrias were some sort of floaty faux fruit chunks.
Even Cthulu cowers before the alien J'ello from the distant planet Kr'aft and their ambassador of doom Kros-bi.

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OMG... one of the first times I've laughed, for real. Usually I snicker or chuckle or something. My kid just asked me "What's so funny mom?"

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We love our dev interaction.


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Yes, we do. Oh, step over that pile of bones there.

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Crave might be nearer the mark. Love sounds so ... forgiving. :-)

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I love devs! All of them. With some chianti...

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We love our dev interaction.


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Yes, we do. Oh, step over that pile of bones there.

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Unfortunately, that really doesn't compensate the people who got bounced out of the zone. Speaking personally, my time in-game is very precious. I have 1 to 3 hours max to do what I want in game, and not every day of the week. I recognize this and work with, planning TFs well in advance and sometimes over multiple days, etc. However, let's say the new Hami takes 90 minues once the basics of how to make it work are done. At 80 minutes, I drop connection. If I come back and someone has filled my spot, I've just lost the reward for those 80 minutes invested. Not to mention that using the SG/VG rez ring instead of waiting for a team member's rez to come back (again) runs the same risk since going to bases is leaving the zone instance.

And, just because this thread has had insufficient doom so far...

I know that they wanted to maintain the "social" aspect of Hamidon raids, but I suspect when all is said and done there will be less socialization, for two reasons: (1) the socialization is in part driven by the amount of mindlessness going on in the existing raid. There are about 5-10 people out of the 50-100 radiers that have to be actively engaged with the raid; the rest around autofiring or button mashing and have the spare cycles to spend on talking about whatever meme has struck the internet recently. In the new raid, if they have met their design objectives, everyone will be more engaged with the raid itself leaving less time for BS. (I know that some will find this an improvement). And (2) as we see with teaming, people prefer to team with people they know in part because they know what to expect both good and bad. With the existing Hami raid, is really is not possible to keep the raid to just "family and friends" (SG and coalition) so it forces people to work with people they might not otherwise because it requires that level of resources to make the raid a success. With the new, smaller, streamlined raid it will be possible to create mostly closed raids and I suspect that many of the larger SGs will do just that. This leaves those that do not belong to the big SGs or have broad coalitions to try pick-up raids, with all the variableness and weirdness of pickup groups only with less ability to say "sayonara" if things don't work well after say, the monster clearing phase.

And finally, combining the previous two points: I don't want to be a leach. However, if I logout (or DC) in the Hive or Abyss, the next time I logon there runs the real possibility of unintentionally blocking a previous raider from being able to zone back into this particular raid.

In any case, I am afraid that for me personally, and others like me, my days of raiding Hami are going to be reduced to a couple of times a year.

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(The proceeding written while tired and bummed so I'm taking a more negative view that is probably warrented. I hope I'm wrong.)

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I'm in the opposite position, kinda. My in-game time is so limitied, I haven't done a TF since I2. I haven't done a single SF. I haven't gone to a Hammi Raid in over a year. This re-design, I might go to. It looks interesting.

Griefers and leechers? As far as I'm concerned, griefers sole wish is to cause grief. If I don't get upset, they don't cause grief.

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Um, what happens if you are a part of the 50 person raid in 'Hive 2' and everything is going well but then your internet goes out for whatever reason and when you get back online 'Hive 2' is full because some leecher just jumped in and took your spot in the zone? Thats my biggest concern about the small zone population.

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o.O

Some random leecher won't know if your internet went out. And if Hami can be defeated by a smaller group, it would probably be easier to organize a raid. So, in that situation, I'd run in and spawn Hive 3 and start in on a global channel for more raiders.

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Not exactly, it'd be more like someone hearing how a raid is not too far from completion over the Virtue United or whatever channel and going back and forth at the entrance of the Hive to see whether or not any room opens up.

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I'd still use the oppurtunity to spawn a new Hive instance. Then send the leecher a thank you /tell for helping open a new instance for 49 more people... after the raid.

Back Alley Brawler?!?!?

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Um, what happens if you are a part of the 50 person raid in 'Hive 2' and everything is going well but then your internet goes out for whatever reason and when you get back online 'Hive 2' is full because some leecher just jumped in and took your spot in the zone? Thats my biggest concern about the small zone population.

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o.O

Some random leecher won't know if your internet went out. And if Hami can be defeated by a smaller group, it would probably be easier to organize a raid. So, in that situation, I'd run in and spawn Hive 3 and start in on a global channel for more raiders.

Eh, I'm ok with the zone capping at 50. Not all SG's are at the 75 cap so the smaller ones could coalition with a couple others.

I do predict SG's scheduling a time to show up, everyone showing and locking the zone to prevent teh wikked griefers.

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Some sections are particularly interesting.

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Yeah... I think I'm looking forward to the goober again.

Oh Kat, he's got such a huge library, anyone could probably post a pic... it'd take him a week to search his database...

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o.O

*whaps TA with a carp*

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lol what did I do?


*ducks*

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Like you have to ask? What haven't you done?

*whapity whap whapwhapwhapwhap*

o.O

*whaps TA with a carp*

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Was that your plan too?

Great mind and all huh?


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I even got a TA mask I can wear while typing!



Ok, joking aside, I can't even think of asking. I just don't know anyone well enough to bug the heck out of them.

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So wait, pretending to be TA doesn't work?

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Damn...

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I understand how the "exclusives" help get the game some coverage on sites that are frequented by other non-CoH'ers, but I think we need to strike a balance here. Something like an rss-powered announcement page- one that could accept and display approved 3rd party headlines as soon as they're made available- would use rather well-established technologies, allow for "exclusives" while insuring that CoH'ers can find said exclusive almost instantaneously.

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Now that's not half bad!

Hey Lighty! Any plans for that... thingy?

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Official site for official news. Or should we just give up and hit google for Co* news?



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I'm thinking that both of those articles were expected to be released this week. So they probably have the web page info set to go up today on it. It looks like someone on the UK site spotted the article they linked to and put a link into it fast. Not sure if they were working on a weekend or just jumped in anyway.

It probably wasn't an unreasonable expectation that the articles wouldn't go out until this week.

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Granted, I might be a bit grumpy right now, the kidlets aren't cooporating on the whole 'nap' issue. But it seems like we get most of our news from other places. I check the main page. A lot. And it's sometimes saveral days behind what we know on the forums.

Seriously, if I want news, I'll ask Lady Sadako before I ask a redname. And that just doesn't seem right, yanno? It's like that old joke about trusting the government. Is that what our main page is now, an old joke? Maybe it's the timing of it all too. Everytime I see something suggesting some love for our main page, for us, a short time later I see some attention given elsewhere. It's a little saddening that what made us a niche is slowly going away in the name of advertising...

Then again, I could be reading way more into it.

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"Exclusives" are all well and good.

Official site first, please. Or just close it and let the other sites do the work.

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/agreed

Official site for official news. Or should we just give up and hit google for Co* news?

*takes another shot of vodka*

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A couple of folks have yelled at me for being so psycho... yes, I'm psycho about drawings of my characters. But, I've been yelled at quite thoroughly. So... Athyna... Be gentle with me...

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Uh huh....

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And that's just so durn mean. You and Valk and Bill know about my HD death. That I lost everything including my stuff on imageshack...

Ebil! All of you! EBIL!!!

Gah... who do ya want?

Athyna... Lady Athyna... Harsh Mistress... Scorn... Cheer Queen Ashleigh... the other ones I'm having a brain fart on...

Ya'll are just trying to make me log in during my self imposed break aren't ya...

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I know when everything is up again for everyone, post screenies of your toons, Valkyrie, Memphis, Athyna, Sarrate, and if you can get your friend to post his toon I'll do a little sketch featuring us! Comrades who couldn't log in last night!

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I didn't have the problem, I just posted for those that did.