Kusanagi77

I can't believe this is still going. I think now you're just arguing to argue and amused with how far you can keep this going and up your post count. Let it go, both sides have a valid reason for their beliefs. Honor that and drop it.

Go create another thread on how you think the devs are cheaters and they're all wrong for not agreeing with you and be done with it.

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It seems to me that Statesman has satisfied both sides.

A. He said they are actively trying to discourage it by making it harder

B. He didn't call it cheating and said if it's what floats your boat, then go ahead (paraphrasing)

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I agree completely with this. People may as they're prone to do read into something but that is exactly what he said. Neither side is wrong here, each side has reasonable explanations. The only part I didn't agree on was some people calling it cheating and comparing it to real life crime which is going too far.

It will be hard for Cryptic to find a solution the matter since the game is flawed and the reason why it drives most to pl in the first place. Most people get sick of the lower levels, I've went through them many times which I am starting to hate the teens in general.

It's going to take quite awhile though and updates to make any changes to make it worthwhile. The Hollows will be interesting probably for two weeks until that gets old for me. I hate KR with a passion and avoid that zone like the plague.

Making level 30+ more of a challenge won't solve anything unless there is some reason to make it wortwhile. There's still a lack of content for the higher levels at the moment.

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Also, lets hand it to Miir for injecting gay sex into the topic! What's that all about Miir?

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I believe you made a comparison to **** and date ****. I think I'll take homosexuals for 100 Alex than something as harsh as that.

This post is going nowhere and I apologize if I've went a little too far knocking TheAdlerian. I've tried to explain it in a manner as many others have but you refuse to consider it anything other than cheating.

You obviously have no experience in any other MMOG or this wouldn't be a issue as much as it has for you. All of these games have some form of pl'ing involved. It's part of power-gaming, love it or hate it is a popular form of playing.

CuppaJo has to be on vacation or something. I can't believe this has lasted as long as it has without being locked. It was amusing though and a interesting read I'll say that.

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Not anymore when issue 2 comes out. SK's will be dropped if they are not within range of their mentor. No more standing at the train station are up high on a building. SK's will have to be pretty close and risk having the smack down put on them. I'm sure some one will figure out how to get around it, but for sure you wont see the train station thing anymore.

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Not if the Mentor is there at the tram hanging out as well.

It won't change anything, it will just slow experience down a minor amount forcing the mentor to group up and get some exp as well.

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Frankly, I am a psychologist, and the arguments here remind me of the prison inmates that I used to work with.

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LOL, I just spit my drink all over my keyboard reading this. How about you go back to just closing your eyes, ears and repeating cheater over and over as your original argument? That or keep talking about the word ethics.

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Here's another idea. The game takes your highest level character and remembers his/her level. Until you reach that level you earn 50% (or 75% or whatever) more xp than normal. You continue to earn the bonus xp until you reach that remembered level). If you sk to someone higher than the remembered level, you earn regular xp.

Won't solve most of the PLing problems but will alleviate it a small amount AND will help encourage people to play alts, which just adds replay value which is good.

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I think this is a nice suggestion as well. There should be some form of encuoragement to want to play a secondary character and so on. Not have to tread through zones you've been through over and over again bored out of your mind.

I like these ideas and would love to see them implemented. As it stands now though we're far off from this being addressed and as of yet Cryptic hasn't taken a stand to oppose or support this. The game is flawed, it's not necessarily a mechanic of CoH but in all MMOG in general.

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Thing of it is, I cannot for one minute believe that developers in ANY of these games actually like or condone powerleveling. I would strongly suspect it's a case of "we don't like it, it's a problem, but it would be too much of a hassle/we can't be bothered to properly deal with it". It's the sort of activity that skews way outside of intended design parameters and is generally a headache.

However, the devs here have repeatedly shown that they will in fact take the time and effort to correct even problematic design flaws like this. Therfore I have hope that it WILL be addressed in CoH.

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The difference is whether they like it or not it's part of the game. It would be impossible to stop some form of pl'ing. This game encourages it with the sk feature which I think is a really good feature. Many problems with games like EQ is the inability to play with your friends unless you're close to their level. It made it incredibly hard for someone to get into a game and spend the thousands of hours to catch up to your friends just to play.

With the sk feature it gives people the ability to have fun the moment they jump in the game regardless of level. Yes, they may not be contributing very much but they have a active part in the group and experience stuff they won't for many levels.

I'd suspsect there are easily thousands of people that pl in some form or another in this game as any other MMOG. In EQ it was incredibly important to have certain classes for raids and most of the time some guilds would have more than a quarter of their members 2-boxing (playing two characters at the same time).

The devs would be upsetting quite a few people by taking out any form of pl'ing period. I know they'll make changes like taking away the ability for someone to gain exp sitting miles away from the group who's doing the killing. They did this in EQ and it worked rather well. This won't stop pl'ing in the slightest though, people will camp a spot and pull within the radius to kill. Or, just have their character use the follow command to stay close to them while they kill.

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I do understand the wanting not to have to level through a second, third or later character AGAIN after the first time, and it's a valid concern. Perhaps you could have a level 20 or so character unlocked after you get one character to level 50? I dunno.

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I think this is a excellent idea and would love to see this added in the game as a reward. This would take care of many of the problems people have with the games earlier levels. It most likely wouldn't happen though, they're taking great effort to adding in content for all levels and would feel they're taking away from their game by letting people skip it.

I don't have a problem with a difference of opinion. I've read every thread here and saw both sides of the matter. I'm a pro pl'er as I am guilty of doing this. The biggest problem people seem to have is the level of risk and person being pl'ed hanging out at the tram levelling up with no effort.

If the devs do end up changing this it's not going to stop people who wish to pl at all. Ever heard of the follow command? I've done this many times whether a friend is afk and I drag them around getting exp while they're away or helping out a friend or my own character to get exp and debuff the enemies for me.

There are many ways to pl is what I'm getting at, sure you could complain until finally something is done. I could see the devs initiating a radius to the group member "arresting" a enemy in order to get exp for anyone in the group.

It's not going to stop myself or the many others who are helping out their friends, family and guild mates. As far as the belief there is no risk for anyone in the group if you want the best experience possible you'll be killing yellow/orange/red and purple enemies opposing the highest level person in your group.

We should just agree to disagree, everyone has their opinion on this matter and both sides have good reasons.

The only problem I have is with the original poster TheAdlerian. He's a troll, with ignorant analogies and comparing this game to real life because it's a "simulation" to real life afterall...he won't listen to another opinion because he just closes his eyes and ears and resorts to calling anyone opposing him a cheater.

Personally, I would like to hear a devs response to the matter.

I couldn't agree more with your post. I could also see TheAdlerian be a beggar since his mentality dictates the type of person to be childish enough to beg and throw a tantrum after getting turned down.

Everyone just assumes if you're pl'ing it's the worst case of it like parking a character at a tram. If anyone has played EQ before you would know this was a common practice. Most would call it 2-boxing where you use a program called EQW to run two instances of EQ on the same computer. Or, use two computers to control two characters and level up together or pl the other.

Anyone with a decent processor could run two instances of CoH on the same computer. I do it all of the time, whether to help a friend get a level he's having trouble with, level a character of my own or help out on a TF with running a healer on the side.

All you have to do is choose Windowed mode in the resolution section. Have two City of Heroes installed. Nice thing about CoH is it's setup is much easier than EQ is to do this.

Pl'ing has been in every form of MMO that I know of. It was done in EQ all of the time and eventually was nerfed to a extent but never stopped the people willing to put time and effort into levelling their twinks (alts).

It doesn't have any effect on your game nor impede on others. The problem you have is your own opinion but there are many who do this for reasons already stated.

I think most are stereo-typing most form of pl'ing to someone who is being pl'd that is new to the game and never played it before. When in fact most of the people doing it already have high level characters, in super groups and have been through many missions, TF's etc.

It does boil down to envy though or jealousy because you don't have the means to do it and think it's unfair someone else can get through the game faster than you can. Does it matter to you that they're still putting effort into their character, just in a different way that you don't want to accept?

I have friends that are just starting the game and are social gamers. They love to group up and have in many games before. I've helped them level up to join myself and others. I've also pl'ed a couple of my characters so I don't have to go through the incredibly boring teens like I have with many characters again and again. I don't see there being a problem with it. I love the game, I enjoy it and don't want to go through levels where the content is stale and not where the majority of my friends are at in level.

To say it's cheating is false, as others have said it's a game mechanic that you're using they had in line since the beginning of the game. If it was a bug or cheating then you could be banned for doing so and this isn't something you can be banned for.

Excellent post. You should put this in the Faq section, this I'm sure will be a great help to many.