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Actually, the translation is ;

I am unable to explain without sounding mean.

Further, I believe we are simplly on different planes of thought considering the statement I quoted.

Maybe I should have said you are completely wrong. (my response does sound a bit (ss'ish.

Might have been better.
Probably would have.
/shrug

Sorry to have trolled, baited or given snacks, should have simply said my peace and split.

Exploiting and hacking are cheating.
Everything else is personal opinion.

(In response to OP.)

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The over all message my post was conveying is "I don't have to be affected by something to care about it."

Please, please, PLEASE tell me how this wrong????

or were you going to attack the way I said it instead of what I said. I said it before, and I'll say it again, people on these boards need to seriously brush up on their interpetitive skills.

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I don't have to be hurt by something to oppose it. Cheating on taxes, lying about disability or welfare fraud doesn't hurt me, but I oppose them.

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edit-Na, not even gonna try to point out how silly this is.

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Translation: I can't counter this, so I'll make a vague smug reply instead.

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How does PLing hurt you?


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How in the world is that relevant in any way? If everyone adopted that philosophy then civilization would have ended a long time ago.

I don't have to be hurt by something to oppose it. Cheating on taxes, lying about disability or welfare fraud doesn't hurt me, but I oppose them.

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The devs have already stated that PL'ing is not cheating. This topic comes up once a week. Just do a search and find your answers. No, not cheating. Are they enjoying the game? I don't know, but more power to you if your friends can PL you or you are rolling an ALT because you have already reached 50 and would like to play with some new powers and not have to go through all the kill stealing at the low levels. P.S. I think the OP is trolling. IMO.

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As an avid Dev Tracker addict, I gotta ask "When, where, what?". I have never seen such a post. Can you provide a link, or a quote?

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One clarification here:

"Powerleveling" is NOT standing AFK while grouping, getting XP. Yes, that can be one (rather lame) aspect of powerleveling, but the term has a far wider scope and definition in its history.

"Powerleveler" is a term describing a player's priority in game- their goal. It was used initially as a counterbalance term for "roleplayers."

"Roleplayers" are motivated by the story. Leveling is a natural process reflecting character growth, but it isn't the end-all objective. They get a sense of accomplishment in more intangible, community-oriented game rewards. Roleplayers who want PvP want it so they can open new avenues for Player interaction, possibly allow them to "stage" their own player-driven stories. Some roleplayers will "powerlevel" to access a particular skill set or competency, but mostly because it's an element of their character story. Roleplayers may make a "Flavor of the Month" template out of accident, but don't understand why someone would want a "cookie cutter template."

"Powerlevelers" on the other hand, see "leveling" as the goal. There's little in the form of character interaction or story development, to motivate a powerleveler. The powerleveler considers accomplishment by reaching a certain level or gathering rare loot. They're very quickly bored when they reach the top, because their whole game experience was built around advancing, and now there's no place else to go but up. If PvP isn't available in a game, powerlevelers are the first to get bored and leave. If PvP is available, they're the first to clamor for some kind of rating system for their PvP matches, as they see rankings as an "accomplishment." if they're not into PvP, they usually clamor for more dev input for "real players" get disheartened, and chase after the next, latest MMORPG.

Personally, I find powerlevelers harmful to the long-term health of the game. They don't contribute much to the community, can dishearten the less rabid player. I've seen the Powerleveler PvP'er all but exclude all other non-maxed-out player from PvP in other systems (please be careful implementing this devs). Powerlevelers often equate level advancement with superiority and will often disrupt player communities by attempting leadership coups when their advancement isn't reflected in their community rank.

Yes, they're here, and they pay money to be here, but I find that play priority unhealthy for the game.

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Excellent post, very well said chaseArcanum. 5 stars for you!

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Hoping you're joking, but I fear not, so...

In case of robbering or taking other people's money by trick, that behaviour DAMAGE someone. even if a politician lies on a thing that doesn't touch you directly, someone is indeed affected by that lie and so is right for your to act to avoid it.

In the case of someone PLing, he doesn't damage noone unless this, as previously mentioned, doesn't make the devs think something is wrong and they change something that make other players' life harder or less fun. Just obtaining lvl 50 before you doesn't damage you NOR ANYBODY ELSE. I can easily say that this just damage the PLer, 'cause he/she is jumping over a lot of gameplay along with nice people(like most of the ones I've teamed up often), and the (for me) pure joy of discovering one by one how the new gained powers works, how can I combine with my other powers, how they interact with other toons' powers, and so on...HE is the only one who get damaged, not you, not anybody else. If you would have take a year top reach lvl 50, you still will take a year to do so, not a year and a day. Same for the others. So, please, if you have to object, try using something serious as an example...

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Sheesh, seems a lot of peoples interpetitive skills are in need of work. I was speaking of the principle, I wasn't being literal. As many have said, PLing is bending the rules, looking for loopholes or outright exploiting. It is something that is outside of conduct that is considered acceptable. Thus my example.

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I love this philosophy! We should apply it to real life too. Someone just robbed a convenience store? Who cares? Doesn't affect me. Someone is lying about disability just to collect $$. Who cares? Doesn't affect me. He's right, people are just jealous that the criminal who held up the store got lots of money.

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Apples and oranges. People are being hurt or otherwise negatively affected in those situations. Nobody is hurt by powerlevelers.

A more accurate scenario would be a person bumming a ride from a friend. He's not driving himself, but if his/her friend wants to use their gas to help them get around, then why should you care?

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Should lying about disability be allowed? How does it hurt anyone? Government coffers are so big that it has no impact and hurts no one.

PLing affects the bottom line. It artificially inflates numbers on the reports the developers run about the game. If there was a sudden influx of PLing the devs would get false (or at least skewed) numbers on leveling speed and the number of players at x level.

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Comparing powerleveling to commiting a crime in real life is crackpot logic.


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You have to read between the lines of what I said. My mistake with the post above is not spelling everything out...

The game world is a microcosim of the real world. There are rules of conduct, do's and do nots. If PLing was ok, the devs would not go out of their way to write in code that makes it hard (or at times impossible) to do. If PLing was ok, then a SK would earn the same XP and the master. If PLing was ok there would be no level difference required for a team to earn xp.

Different people might have different ideas about what PLing is. I define PLing as occuring between a hero and another hero who is 10 or more levels above him. If my 31 Blaster teams with a 25 defender, that is not PLing (not to me anyway). However, if my 31 Blaster is seeking ways for a level 1 character to gain xp then I'm PLing.

To me PLing occurs outside of the rules of the game. It looks for loopholes, exploits and bugs in order for a high level to earn xp for a much lower level hero.

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it doesnt negatively impact your ability to play your character in the slighest.

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That's all there is to say on the subject. Besides jealousy, there's really no reason for you to care.

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I love this philosophy! We should apply it to real life too. Someone just robbed a convenience store? Who cares? Doesn't affect me. Someone is lying about disability just to collect $$. Who cares? Doesn't affect me. He's right, people are just jealous that the criminal who held up the store got lots of money.