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I think it's quite likely there'll be a Resistance one to defeat Tyrant, and a Praetorian one to defeat the Resistance leader - possibly Belladonna.
Thta's not so likely - but Praetorianm EATs at some future date are quite possibleQuote:some new archetypes 
There'll be new maps for sure - but I think we might see one or two old favorites show up tooQuote:completely new set of mission maps (and not using any of the old ones);
Not sure about the costume creator upgrade, but there's no way we wonät be getting some new costume pieces in GR - although I also think a Resistance and Loyalist booster pack might be released later tooQuote:costume creator upgrade and lots of new costume pieces.
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Quote:According to Positron at Hero Con, you can start making your moral choice in the tutorial, and then have a final choice just before you leave Praetoria - so even though the end of the 1-20 content will show Tyrant = evil, Resistance = good, that won't be obvious at the start.The Devs have already explicitly stated that the Resistance and Loyalist factions are to morality what Pichu is to Pikachu: A retconned "Pre" stage.
A Resistance member will eventually become a Hero. A Loyalist will eventually become a Villain. Personally, I speculate this change will happen once your Praetorian finds out about Primal Earth.
For example, the Syndicate works very well as a game mechanic to disguise the reality of Tyrant's rule - so it's possible that your first few missions once you join the Praetorian Police would be against genuine criminals, so you'd get a false impression that you were on the "right" side.
But as you level up and rise through the ranks, you'd start getting more neutral missions - like after you'd proved yourself against the Syndicate, you might get a mission against the Resistance, althought they wouldn't be flagged as the Resistance - you'd go into it thinking it was just another operation against real criminals, but in-mission text or clues would show you that there was more to it than that - like you'd hear or find somehting that put your role in the Praetorian Police into a less perfect light, and make you wonder about what your superiors were telling you and so on.
So I'm pretty sure the early levels are going to be quite fluid when it comes to choosing a side - like you could have a mission to capture a Resistance member, but with the option to let them escape too - so you could either carry out your orders without question, or try and balance your duty with your conscience.
And for the final choice, when you have to leave Praetoria, you'd make it based on what you'd learnt - you'd have found out the turth about the horror of Tyrant's dictatorship, but you can still decide that it's a "good" thing, and that extending his rule to Primal Earth is the "right" thing to do - or you could deicde to do the real right thing, and desert from the Praetorian Police, and show up on Primal Earth as a Vigilante.
It shoudln't be - CoH is a comicbook game, so when you're sent to investigate an altenative world ruled by a guy called Tyrant, you shouldn't really expect him to be a good guyQuote:It's disappointing for me 
If it was rhetorical, then it's ok to provide the answerQuote:Still, it feels like the Devs answering their own rhetorical question. :/
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Quote:No, because fighting Tyrant is about changing the government of Praetoria, not removing all government from Praetoria.I said Anarchism
from Dictionary.com
1. a doctrine urging the abolition of government or governmental restraint as the indispensable condition for full social and political liberty.
2. the methods or practices of anarchists, as the use of violence to undermine government
specifically definition 2 which I bolded.
use of violence to undermine government, whether you like it or not Emperor Cole has established a government for Praetoria. By working with the Resistance you will be attempting to undermine that government. Making you an Anarchist.
I guess them being refered to "clearly marked missions" won't make you too happy?Quote:I truly hope that the going rogue missions aren't clealry labeled as to which actions will cause shifts in which direction.
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I don't play Villains, but if you tell me what the mission briefing says, and the mission title, I think I can probably tell you what you need to do.
Also, welcome to the game and the forums
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Quote:Just a hunch - there's something about Tyrant and the Hamidon that doesn't quite add upHow do you figure? We know Hamidon Pasalima is much more powerful in ϒ β 9-6 than he is here. We also know that the DE have overrun most of Praetorian Earth due to the much earlier use of nuclear weaponry on their world.
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Quote:www.dictionary.com?I'm defending the innocents that get killed and the people who are merely protecting their homes because they know what's at stake if they lose and the Devouring Earth cannot be contained.
Cole is also, arguably, doing what he thinks is right by trying to protect people from this very thing, even if his methods might be wrong. And in what dictionary does 'disappear' mean killed?
"To cause (someone) to disappear, especially by kidnapping or murder."
The DE threat is being overestimated - which strangely enough really suits Tyrant - a lotQuote:Your logic of "Well, some people died so clearly we should risk the death of an entire reality and possibly our own even though the large majority of people are perfectly safe and happy" is just as disconcerting.
The willingness to risk the death of billions because of the possible deaths of thousands is in no way heroic or just.
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Quote:No, we'd be there to protect Praetoria until the numbers of Praetorian superpowered people recovered from Tyrant's mass-murder program.If Emperor Cole steps down, then the world gets overrun by the Devouring Earth, and everyone dies.
I think the idea is to be more surgical with the attacks - for example, I doubt it'll invovle throwing Rikti motherships at Nova PraetoriaQuote:If you launch a full scale war to force Emperor Cole to step down, many innocents will die in the crossfire which you started, and unless you quickly supply an immense force of protective supers in their dimension, everyone will die due to the DE. And if you do supply such a force, then our own dimension will be at the mercy of the myriad of other threats we face.
Edit: And, proof positive that people will die in the crossfire: Siren's Call
Except for the thousands being murdered?Quote:If you do nothing, the people of Praetoria continue to live happily in a utopia.
Seriously, defending Tyrant is like those people who try and argue that the Empire was right, and the Rebels were wrong
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Quote:It's up to Tyrant to prevent a war by stepping downIs it still freedom to the people who's lives you are making worse by attacking where they live? Is it still freedom for the people who get caught in the crossfire and die because you were unwilling to find another solution?
No matter how 'noble', the ends do not always justify the means.
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Quote:If the cause is bringing freedom in place of tyranny, then yes - it is justified - freedom is a basic right for everyone.So there would be nothing wrong, for instance, with a bunch of people from one country invading another based on the moral beliefs of their leader vs. the other country's leader, despite the fact that most people who live there are either ignorant of the trouble or living quite happily?
So it's perfectly fine for group A to start a war that has the potential to cause serious harm to innocent people just to get at group B because they disagree with how they run their country? (And yes, I'm aware that this is two different realities, and not countries, I'm simplifying the debate somewhat) -
Quote:He, of course, is totally wrongRegardless of what you think of the situation, your motives for invading Praetorian Earth are identical to Emperor Cole's motives for invading Primal Earth. You both want to impose your values on another dimension.
And yes, I know you're going to claim that your values are better than his. But he thinks the same thing about you.
Now don't make be Godwin this
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Quote:There's a little bit of a difference though - Praetoria exports tyranny, Primal Earth exports freedomActually, we trespassed on ϒ β 9-6 first. Emperor Cole saw that we came from a lawless dimension, and decided to take the same proactive stance that GG is advocating.

There's a very good Godwin example that could be used too
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Quote:Shhh - you'l spoil it for the Tyrant apologists - let them find out in their own time with GRThis one bothers me. I feel it's not being applied properly.
We're not talking about civil rights here. We're talking about learning that a world is under the boot heel of a man who has the power to rend it asunder. Are we supposed to be okay with the fact that he's basically got the world thinking "Happy, happy thoughts forever" while burying them up to their necks in fecal matter? Are we supposed to support his "Nineteen Eighty-Four" version of peace?
The majority in this instance would say this is WRONG. Consensus disagrees with such a state of affairs. Unless, of course, you agree that exploiting the masses simply because you have the means to is right. If such is the case, I find you my enemy, and will gladly snuff your life out if given the opportunity, for you are precisely the monster I came to slay.
This is not the same as demanding the right for women to vote. This is not the same as eliminating segregation and apartheid. We are LIBERATING an oppressed people (though not yet, because we don't know what's going on).
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Quote:Recluse's record would suggest that anything he's up to is bad - so it's perfectly ok to investigate anything he doesActually, no. If you read the text Statesman doesn't actually have any reason to send you to the Rogue Isles other than "Recluse is building...something." It could just as easily have been an orphanage that the Task Force tears down, which gives Recluse a legitimate reason to hand to his people on why the Vigilantes of Paragon City are dangerous. Not to mention that the invasion, had there not been an item of major threat being built, would be considered another illegal invasion of the Etoile Isles by agents of the American government.
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Quote:The alternative seems to be to have the governmnet being made up of superpowered people - and Praetoria and the Rogue Isles aren't really good adverts for that methodThe one on Primal Earth is highly questionable. All superhumans have to register with the government.
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