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@GlaziusF
Running this on a mid-40s ice/axe tanker, +0/x2 with bosses on.
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Hey, Babs. You could use a contact description. Maybe something about how youre getting too old for this? Anyhow.
Well, somebody eventually decided to combine Superadine with Excelsior, and apparently it works in a non-heart-exploding fashion.
Whoah. Did they update the dilapidated warehouse textures when I wasnt looking? Guess so.
Marauders goons are in here, talking up a storm. You might want to cut down on the number of destructibles and patrols in this small space - the dialogue was getting all jammed together, and I think a patrol managed to get itself right up in the rafters, because there was something up there that I had to knock down to clear the mission.
Anyway, looks like the Destroyers are the pushers for this crap.
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Now that we can get clues to open the mission, itd probably be a good idea for Babs to hand off one of those. Anyway, headin off to break a drug deal over my large chitin-plated knee.
A cargo ship.
...a defeat all cargo ship? Oy.
Well, at least its just Destroyers and Freakshow. And battles between them which assume Im somewhere in line of sight when they start, which again, Ive pretty much given up on actually happening.
Judging by the bosses whove tipped some CyberDyne down their gullet, this stuff is bad for you when the adrenaline kicks in.
The Destroyers talk about a mysterious Doc whos actually synthesizing this stuff. Is it time to go blow up some drug labs? I hope I hope I hope.
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Yaaaaaaay its time to wreck the machinery of the latest drug cartel!
The CoTs possessed scientists could use some new descriptions, though of course this was written before that was possible.
The synthesizers look like ordinary metal crates. I do know there is some lab equipment among the destructibles that would probably work better.
Oh, this is stuff to make cybernetics work... better? But the Freak who took it was going insane just as much as the ordinary Destroyer. I guess it also awakened some latent genetic potential or whatever the side effects are supposed to be.
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And now that one of the rats leaving that sinking ship has gone back to his nest, its time to take out the mastermind of this little operation.
...with an assist from Manticore! Well, thats unexpected.
The Doc seems to have overestimated the effectiveness of his own formula, sticking around in the vain hope itll eventually kick in and he can repel us.
(Well, maybe it does. Its hard to tell with his armor set, but does he have Build Up, or did two lucky blows just manage to get through my armor at the same time?)
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...and it looks like Babs is going to try the stuff for himself. Hes been coming off as overwhelmed during this arc, but this really feels a bit off. I mean, the whole going against his crusade thing aside? This stuff hasnt actually worked as advertised for anybody! Theyve all been just oh wait till the Dyne kicks in then Ill beat you down you agh argh bluh.
Huh. The Cyberdyne gang is in here with him. Figured this for more of a one-man showdown. But alright. Pop a Shivan, because Babs never goes down easy. Around three-quarters health he comes off his high and the dyne starts taking control of him. Mercy comes swiftly afterward.
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Storyline - ***. Even if Babs is griping about having Wyvern steal a march on him, it really seems from Manticores warnings that hes going to be trying the Cyberdyne for really no reason.
Well, why not give him one?
Superadine and Excelsior are both modified super-soldier fomulae as it is. What if this whole thing started off as a side project by Babs to get himself more integrated with his power gloves, and then one of the researchers sampled his own manufacture and got all hopped up on evil? Itd explain why he was trying to overtake Wyverns investigation, and why he dips into the supply at the end despite all evidence pointing to it being ineffective at best, crippling at worst.
At least then Babs has a bit of a reason to go against everything he ever fought for, as opposed to a general malaise. The story was going pretty well up until that point, and you did a decent job foreshadowing that all was not right with our favorite Galaxy City-standin bad boy. I just find it difficult to buy that last sharp turn.
Design - ***. This is an arc that modern MA design innovations can help. The ability to rename stock enemy groups and write custom descriptions would let you write a good story for the various possessed scientists, and clarify if the Destroyers have come over from Praetoria or just reflect the muscle of the gang. Mission-entrance clues would let Babs actually pass along the evidence he says hes handing us to go bust CyberDyne. Im not sure if the odd destructibles in mission 3 were a product of mission rot as the MA changed or just the best available to you at the time, but you can use Supes labs now and they dont buff you or dangerously explode.
Gameplay - ****. Something you may not have been aware of: patrols count for the purposes of defeat all in mission/in final room (if theyre set to spawn in the final room). Why this is I dont know, as they fall victim to the same pitfalls as ambushes/defend ambushes: pathing can get enemies stuck in weird places. The only place this really hurt me was in the initial mission, getting a few enemies stuck in the rafters and having to find the tiny angle they were actually open to attack from.
Other than that, a generally solid outing against generally stock mobs.
Detail - ***. This is another drifting modern expectations gripe, but because all the mobs are stock with stock descriptions (as are the destructibles) I never really get a feel for who this Cyberdyne Gang is or how they operate. Seeing as how theyre the new group and prime driver of the plot, this is a little problematic.
Overall - ***. Can I say drifting modern expectations again? The Architect is more capable than it was when this arc was written, so I expect that arcs will take advantage of these capabilities to present alternate enemy group backstories and provide me with the clues my contact could credibly hand off to start a mission, among other things. Thered probably be another star on this rating if the arc was kept current, but in addition to these upgrades theres still the issue of putting a little more reason behind Babs appearance in the last mission. -
Tonight's random arc: Dyne of the Times (6600). Verdict - ***. Review lower in this thread.
Random arcs I flipped through trying to find one I hadn't played before:
The Four Treasures of the Tuatha de Danaan (164100). Verdict - ***.
Astoria in D Minor (41565). Reviewed previously but not on-site, verdict - *****.
Spanks for the Memories (21144). Verdict - **.
Premium Quality Mission (148476). Verdict - ****.
How to Survive a Robot Uprising (12669). Verdict - ***.
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@GlaziusF
Running this on my low-40s merc/TA mastermind, +0/x2 with bosses on and normal architect rewards also on.
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Interesting. Contact actually has a description! Nice to see a Dev Choice thats still updated to keep with the modern limits.
Though whatever Wretch gives you to start the mission would make a nice leadoff clue, assuming youve a mind to.
So the Nihilists are the weird group who invaded the base. They are what it says on the tin, committed to the destruction of all life with the manic intensity of the Freakshow.
The traditional doom intersections are alive and well, but aside from that theres some decent variety in showing off this enemy group - my only gripe is that the minions dont try to close to melee, which is a bit of a pain for melee fighters who all expect it to some extent.
Two glowies show up in the last room -- are you sure this is where you wanted to put them? Anyway, one clicky stops the base from blowing up, one reveals that these yahoos wanted Seer Marino.
Or perhaps our local Hulk or Hulk equivalent. People were all the time trying to force the Hulk into all sorts of weirdness.
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Anyway, off to the CoT for a withdrawal from their library.
Up front is who I think might be a succubus but is actually I believe a fire/mental blaster. Nice custom. Some fights take place deeper in, and at this point its safer to assume that theyll never work properly -- that is, the dialogue thats supposed to take place on initial aggro just play when they fight each other.
For some reason the custom chains into another boss fight? Ah, with the nihilist in her death clue. Not sure why that should chain, though. I can appreciate not being initially aware, but in these cases where there isnt a necessary causal relationship I find it a good idea to have the player be initially aware of something. Like, an entrance popup that judging from the bullet casings in the entrance the CoT seem to be preoccupied, with find the other intruder in the navbar. Something like that.
Finding books in this three-story end room is kind of weird, though, especially since the room in the center of the spire is a valid glowie location.
The two books detailing the ritual are pretty far apart in the clue list. Since you can rearrange mission objectives now, and therefore the order clues show up in... well, probably theres no changing this, but just in general, its worthwhile so people dont have to scroll back and forth trying to piece something together.
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Man, theyre trying to wire blood sacrifice into a particle inverter? No wonder theyre all so loopy, when I think how involved a transformer youd need for that...
Anyway! Gonna stomp on Crey for a little. Thatll be a treat.
Look, I know lolcats are consuming the Internet, but just spouting off memes is the opposite of nothing.
...bother. I pick a lucky branch of the tech lab and find the single glowie that completes the map first thing. Maybe you could consider a more linear tech map? This branched structure is great for searching out multiple objectives but can just make for frustration with a single thing to look for.
It really strikes me that these guys dont really have a philosophy very far removed from the Freakshow. Its just destruction on a larger scale.
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Wretch is... pranking Mako and Black Scorpion. Oh lord. I wonder if Ill be able to move in this cave for tarantulas and crabs.
Wow. Lots of fights breaking out everywhere. Entire rooms just turn into little balls of everyone shooting at everyone else.
Im not sure why I have to take down the CoT custom boss from the second mission. She doesnt seem to be essential to fooling the Nihilists into leading us right to them.
But I suppose the CoT do know what these cosmic fools are planning.
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Ah. Now I get Wretch and everything goes flying.
Hoo boy. The university rescue map. This ones always a pain to find things on because of all the overhangs.
Someone who knows the MA a little better than me: can you lead an ally to another ally and get you led me here dialogue from the first ally but still have it follow you and fight? It seems like that sort of thing would be good for modeling reunions.
Ah. I thought so. The name of the clue when you find the thing in the Crey lab was too long and scrolled past the end of the clue window. As a destructible here its just got very very tiny font.
End boss! ...well, with the Wretch in tow theres really nothing to any end boss. He whimpers about how rude it is to stop the end of all existence.
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Storyline - ****. Pretty much the only problem I have with how things are going down here is: why Pia? Do they need someone whos suffered to usher in the end of the universe? I could kind of buy that, except then theyre tangling with Arachnos and plenty of other people in the world are suffering.
..wait, given these yahoos Arachnos wouldnt really be an obstacle either, would it?
I was kind of expecting something after the pattern of the classic Hulk where they were doing this all to draw in the Wretch for his special significance, but again theres not much in evidence to support that.
I dont really NEED a reason why theyve involved Pia, necessarily, but it would be nice to have.
Design - ****. The problem with the Nihilists is that theyre as near to all black as they can get. This is offset somewhat by the decent variety in armament and behavior that gives them weapons and particle effects with generally distinctive colors. From a decisions-in-combat standpoint this works very well, but approaching a bunch of Nihilists at rest its generally a guessfest as to who has what power and is what rank.
The concern I have with the Nihilists is that this is basically what a splinter Freakshow faction that dabbled in the arcane (as Freakshow sometimes do) would pull off. Like, right down to the dialogue. Thats kinda the problem with making the X equivalent of the Freakshow -- the Freakshow are such anarchists that theyll try anything.
I have a couple of concerns with objective placement, nothing too major. I dont know if there are Arachnos bases with big end rooms, but putting mulltiple objectives at the end as happens in the first mission results in a very crowded-feeling room. The end room of the Circle map youve chosen can park glowies in weird places, including a room halfway up the central spire which I dont believe is actually accessible by walking. The Crey lab is better support for a more comprehensive search but can be short-circuited in the case of a single objective.
The use of in-mission battles is a pretty good way to present the Nihilists as an active force. The only concern I have with them is that I seem to recall some of the dialogue assuming the battle would kick off with a hero in close proximity, or at least visual range, and by this point Ive given up on that ever actually happening.
Gameplay - ****. The Nihilists, especially at the boss rank, are hard but fair, though guaranteeing the Wretch takes some sting out of the last fight. My only real problem is that of all the things happening on the last map, only the boss had any kind of particle effects to make him stand out. Dashing around pounding tilde to look for allies in a mostly empty map is a bit of a chore, but the provided allies make it a little easier to scrub the place clean, at least.
Detail - ***. This is where things kinda fall down. Wretchs unique idiosyncracies often make it difficult to understand what hes actually talking about. Generally this isnt an issue for very long, as conditions on the ground become apparent, but when Wretch is taking about what hes doing in spider central its a little more hazy.
Is the smarty guy hes collaborating with a poor beleaguered Bane Spider who made the mistake of helping him once, or just poor beleaguered Dr. Aeon? I mean, when youre Wretch, everybody else is kind of a smarty guy. Its kind of hilarious either way, but getting the occasional note (Smarty guy say give you this!) would both make it clearer what was going on on the Arachnos end and change up the humor a bit.
Overall - ****. This is a great example of the good things that came out of the early days of MA. I cant review it as I would have been then, though, only as I am now, more than a year and a half later. Its a solid arc, and would still be a good intro to what you can do in MA for somebody whos never seen it before, but after twenty months I can see some room for improvement. -
Tonight's random arc: The Wretch's Gift (1008). Verdict - ****. Review lower in this thread.
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Tonight's arc: TotTSM: EE (360243). Verdict - *. Review in MA Forums thread.
Already played arcs I went through finding another one to play:
The Amulet of J'Gara (1709), verdict: *****.
Tainted Waters (69315), verdict: *
Chapter and Verse (26065), verdict: **.
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Review as part of the CoHMR Aggregator project.
@GlaziusF
Running this on an armed man of my own, a low-40s merc/TA mastermind, +0/x2 with bosses on.
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Going 2001, are we? Ah, no, this little one is computer-synthesized.
The accept text kinda runs off the end of the mission screen. You might want to make it a bit less verbose. I find that accept texts work best as objective statements of the mission goals.
The mission brief all tends to run together between my internal monologue and whats being asked of me. Multiple line breaks and shorter paragraphs would help.
Hmm. None of these enemies seem to have any descriptions, aside from the recolors, which have their original descriptions.
Many of them also seem to be missing spaces in their names,
For some reason the general starts following me around. This makes the enemy plant control NPCs a real riot to fight, as their creeper patch seems to spawn one creeper per target in it. Im also seeing rain of arrows from minions here, or at least think that I do.
Coupled with the illusion control bosses theres a good chance that most of the fighting takes place for no XP after the real threats are down.
For some reason I destroy a Terran beacon that the blue-skinned catlike aliens are standing around.
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And now we kill everybody, take our troops back, and virus-bomb them all. Just another glorious victory.
Between finding the bombs, waiting for the general to resummon the robots hes already got, and trying to track down the many chained boss fights, this mission has a whole lot of running around and waiting.
Apparently these energy creatures created us, and the blue-skinned catlike aliens are forms that decided floating around the cosmos knowing everything was boring and went back to being fleshy.
Ive just been a soulless cog in a corporate machine this entire time aaaand my entire species is now getting wiped out. Thatll be fun.
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Well, maybe if I turn traitor Ill feel happy when were all sucked into the cosmos.
Oh, bah. First room is one of those lab affairs where you run up a ramp right at the start and get three groups at once. That doesnt go easily.
...moreso because some of these minions are resistant to any sort of crowd control. Wow.
Did I say some? I hit a spawn with my EM arrow and nobody was held.
Some of these soldiers also have Energy Drain, which is an undodgeable half the blue bar taken away.
I pick up some kind of chief alien in the entry, though, whos a help.
And some more converted PPD, who seem to have taken a roll in the technicolor.
Anyway, the general drops, who I think is the end boss (an HVAS) drops, and then in the same tiny room its... my contact as an energy-spewing robot?
And an energy being, just for fun, even though I never really jump down to tag it before the fights over.
And as a result... oh, forget this. Ill see you in the breakdown.
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Storyline - *. So Im some kind of independent salvage contractor, or maybe a frozen cloned space marine, or perhaps a soldier in a future PMC, talking to my daughter, who is actually an AI playing off my implanted memory, who may have been compromised by a lab technician or perhaps by the energy aliens who created all life.
You may notice Im a bit unclear on exactly what I am and what Im doing in space in the first place. I wasnt exactly clear on a lot of what was going on in this arc. Having everything run together in the briefings makes it harder to pick any information out of them, and I dont think until I return from the final mission that anything in the briefings is actually supposed to be true.
The enemy bosses tend to provide a lot of the necessary exposition, to the point that I suspect that some of the chained boss fights are only there because all the exposition wont fit into one fight. But none of them really touch on the little matter of who I really am, or why in the end the aliens pull the hammer of destruction away.
The story needs more time to develop. It feels like youre trying to address each of the points in every briefing and as a result not really saying much about any of them. Maybe lead off with a normal salvage mission against those nasty alien fauna that showed up in the outdoor mission, to establish the protagonists identity a little better, and right before the end put a mission thats more of a psychological breakout of all the drugs and conditioning the space marines have subjected you to, so you can muster up the will to turn traitor and in the process learn more about yourself and whatever force it is that wants to help you do so.
Design - *. Youve done a very nice job with the aliens, creating a very primitive appearance through the use of tribal shields, primitive weapon powers, and a credible attempt at clothing made out of leather straps.
I could instantly tell they were supposed to be the Navi.
And... thats kind of a problem.
Sometimes, when you make obvious visual clones, theres a good reason. Ive seen them very well used for parodical purposes, or to create expectations which the mission then subverts. But neither of those purposes are in evidence here. Their role in the plot is roughly the same - native species on a planet the space marines want to mine a rare ore from. There is an additional wrinkle in terms of the energy beings but thats not much of a subversion of the source.
I can tell you put some time into the design, but that doesnt make it any less a copy.
Gameplay - *. Minions with full auto and rain of arrows. (Rains a lot of fun when its an ambush just of those minions and thats what they all decide to drop on you.) Minions immune to crowd control. Lieutenants with aim, power boost, and controller pets. Trying to target the actual threats through two dozen carrion creepers. Running all over an outdoor map trying to figure out where the latest new boss spawned. And the last mission, starting out with three simultaneous groups of minions who couldnt be crowd-controlled because of their defensive sets, and ending...
Well, have you ever been on a team where you wonder if youre actually doing anything? Where nothing you do seems to affect the outcome of anything the team does, and all sorts of things are happening just kind of on the periphery? It isnt that the team doesnt succeed, but that you dont feel involved in that success. Well, there were so many allies by the end of mission 3 that it felt that way.
Aside from the very beginning of mission 3 there wasnt that much utter defeat-based frustration, but there was quite a lot of frustrating gameplay - fighting pets for no reward, tracking over empty space to try and find chained bosses, chafing as my allies in mission 3 ran off to kill and then crashing back down as I realized they were doing just fine against the enemies who wrecked me.
Detail - *. None of the enemies except for a few bosses had any descriptions on them, and as I mentioned up in storyline the briefings and boss fight speeches seemed to be made of rather messily compressed misinformation and information, respectively. Paying attention to any given briefing or boss ranting didnt actually do much to help my understanding of what was going on - I just followed the instructions in the navbar and hoped for the best.
As an aside, one way to establish a plot/world, outside of pouring everything into the briefings, is through enemy descriptions.
Overall - *. Plagiarized designs, a labyrinthine story, and frustrating missions all combine to torpedo this one. -
Tonight's arc: Kali's Scythe (445456). Verdict - ****. Review in MA Forums thread.
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@GlaziusF
Playing this one on my low-20s Peacebringer, +0/x1 with bosses on.
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Alright, so Im going to go scout after the apocalypse. This ones presented much more seriously so Ill play this review more seriously and keep the Fallout jokes to a minimum.
The Lost seem to be... lighting signal fires for something?
Ah, the surviving leaders spell it out. Theyve adapted this into their doomsday cult and think that by burning things theyll become like the great force that seared the world.
Boreas working theory is that this is a Rikti superweapon. Well, its as good a guess as any.
Oh, and Im a brevet Vanguard agent. If its going to be important is anyones guess.
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Well, time to check up on the Midnighters.
Okay, they left all their stuff behind and poofed off to Cimerora, including a secret cache of what they could scry about this disaster that came without warning.
Giant cosmic wasps nest. Hmm. Seems like somebody was trying to do something to Paragon City and it got a leetle out of control.
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I may possibly have seen Shivans before. Its not like nobody ever goes to Bloody Bahahahaha yeah nobody ever goes there.
Anyway, going in to extract a bro.
Some scientist retreated to a sample fallout shelter and hes jury-rigging the museum machinery to investigate whats going on. This should be interesting to follow.
Mixed in with the shivans are more human-limited blobs with melee powers. Apparently theyre evidence of whatever force originally did this. They came here to wreck the place and they dont seem disinclined to disobey orders.
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Alright. Now to bomb the meteor and destroy whatevers commanding the Shivans and Shivan accessories.
Hm.
The structure of planting bombs and running back to the entrance to detonate them is thematically sound, but having to lead my ally there and back and there again seems a bit off. If I might suggest starting with a short sewer mission solo just to plant the bombs, and another sewer mission with ally of the wall-caved in variety to follow it?
Oh, the Kali types are warring with the Lost, not patrolling with them. Well, that makes succeeding things easier.
The description of the EB Destroyer says it emits a bright pulse of energy but instead of doing the explodo-cast its cheering alongside its minions.
Anyway, with a boss blaster backing me up and Dwarf Form insulating me he goes down pretty easy, amid dire pronouncements.
Things seem clear for now, though. Time to start rebuilding.
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Storyline - ****. Only thing Im really wondering here is... if this guy was just all the time bombarding the Earth from space with meteors, why did he stop, and come down to Earth where he was relatively more vulnerable? He ran out of explody sun juice and had to come down to pick up more?
Sorry if it was there and I never picked it up. Aside from that its a pretty good run through trying to re-establish a safe haven and communication with the world.
Design - *****. The new melee mobs who join the Shivans add a bit of variety and look very nice, even if theyre a bit dangerous given how much the Shivans debuff defenses.
Missions take place in pretty reasonable settings and are a lot of fun generally.
Gameplay - ****. Tracking an ally around to hit the bombs and then back to set the detonator was a bit of a chore. I still think you could get a good effect with a small sewer map that chained into one of those sewer maps with the wall torn down.
Detail - ****. Detail is pretty good for whats happened to many major groups in the wake of the cataclysm, but the one place it falls down a bit is on whats caused it. Not so much what it is as why its bothered coming down to where we can punch it.
Not that I mind the chance necessarily.
Overall - ****. A solid arc. Not much wrong with it, maybe a few things Id change, but well worth playing. I think the only problem with it is that Id played the villain arc first and was expecting some kind of, like, astral projection up to space as the villain arc was rather securely grounded on Earth. -
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In my case, the AE is ... borderline unusable for me because of how stunted the search tools are. They're woefully incomplete, and they keep me from finding arcs that I actually want to play.
I have a great deal of trouble managing unexpected aggro, so allies are disruptive to my playstyle. I cannot search for arcs lacking allies.
I know people spend a lot of time lovingly crafting their custom enemies' costumes, but I almost always find them vastly more difficult to fight than standard critters, for generally less reward. So, I want to play arcs that don't have custom enemies. This cannot be done automatically. I have to manually flip through who knows how many listings.
What's particularly vexing about this one is that I explicitly am able to search for arcs that have custom groups, but yet not arcs lacking them.
I would like to say "I run arcs that my friends recommend to me" but they've all stopped running AE arcs due to the difficulty of finding things as well.
If somebody makes a cub reporter who follows you around the city streets after you rescue him, even though he has no powers and doesn't draw aggro he'll still show up as an ally because that's how you put something like that in.
If somebody just tosses the Firbolg in with the Devouring Earth for a Halloween arc about the Headless Bodiless Hamidon, the amalgam shows up as a custom group even though it only contains stock enemies.
So even if the system could respond to your searches it'd still have a bunch of false negatives.
I am not the dev team, but I think there was an expectation (based on the badges at release if nothing else) that a lot of people would play MA just for something different to do, and this would establish a critical mass of players who could answer questions like yours. (Speaking of, I wish I could help, but I'm going over my review history and I can't remember any arcs which didn't use either some kind of allies or custom enemies at one point.)
But, perhaps given the simultaneous need to stop people from adopting the degenerate strategy of just running the same farm over and over again, AE isn't as rewarding as the game right now. Patrol XP doesn't burn off unless you die, tips don't drop, 50s have no chance at a purple, the new GR mission tech is nowhere to be seen, there's hardly any badging potential, and I can practically guarantee you it won't help with your Incarnate progression either.
You do get the ability to turn all your drops into salvage/enhancements/recipes, which is kind of nice but doesn't really make up for the downsides.
Honestly I don't know what could be done to create that critical mass. One guy can only do so much. -
@GlaziusF
Running this on a level 50 spine/regen scrapper, +1/x2 with bosses on.
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Ah, a meta-Architect scenario? These can be fun.
A mysterious old man (no contact description) wants me to test his program. This should be simple...
Looks like an ordinary 5th column stomp in the Requiem base -- is that the first map in the special maps list? Im curious.
Ordinary up until some weird sonic necromancer void cultist who shows up in the boss room.
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...and immediately Im fighting the cult that man was supposed to be a member of and sucking the soul out of one of its major operatives? Wow.
Thats kind of a jump from what might be a program glitch.
Anyway, I go to fight the cult... and wow, theres a lot of variety. I think Im seeing pretty much every conventional (non-elemental) melee set on display. And a little necro and some guys with guns.
The man in charge looks to be dark melee/dark blast, and too much in thrall to oblivion to feel anything.
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And now Im destroying them?
Something seems fishy here. I mean, if it was this easy to off these guys youd think someone would have done it before.
Well, Ill see how it all shakes out.
Judging by the altar showing up halfway through the mission, I suspect theres something more going on here... and the clue does not disappoint. The only mystery is what this demons powers are.
Looks like... sonic blast. Nothing major.
Should probably be decrepit shell there in the debrief.
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Storyline- **. Id make a curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal joke, but... it wouldnt really be a joke. The arc flips straight from an innocuous testing mission to murdering a dude to stuff his soul in a crystal, so the betrayal is both sudden and inevitable. Its really the sudden tone shift from innocuous to murderous that tips my contacts hand.
And why am I getting involved again? Im killing a guy whos tired of life anyway and who probably wouldnt mind giving up his nihilized body to bring the cults dark patron into the world.
Design - **. Theres an attempt to establish an immediate breadth of activity with this death cult thats supposedly been working in the world for a while now. I cant really work out what makes them so different from the Banished Pantheon, the current established group of cultists for the gods outside reality.
By breadth of activity Im talking about the varied descriptions on the various custom mobs, which seem to be setting up an internal structure. The problem is that it comes at us all at once, and the vast amount of variety on display makes it tough to actually pick out anybodys individual story. Except for the case of the larvae and the pistolero theres really nothing to tie an individuals story to their powers. The meleers may just as well have all the same generic thug description (varying based on rank) -- itd actually make them a little more sensible.
Gameplay - ****. The customs are generally not hard to fight, and the clustering in melee is appreciated. The first mission is a little long for something whose only gimmick is theres something off at the end, though, and comes across feeling bland.
Detail - ***. The detail reasonably sets up the simple story; the only real problem I have with it is in the description of the customs, where there are a lot of supposed distinctions being drawn that dont really matter in the short term.
Overall - **. So there are three kinds of games you can roughly call horror: shock, suspense, and Castlevania. Shock is a suddenness of lights and sounds to spark an adrenaline rush -- suddenly, a zombie jumps through a plate glass window! Suspense builds a feeling of dread through environments that take familiar elements and use them in odd and unsettling ways -- it only takes one zombie inside a department store mannequin before youre suspicious of every one you pass. Castlevania puts a giant mass of zombies on the other end of a brightly lit corridor from you and lets you have at them with your sanctified weapon of choice.
Its nigh-impossible to do shock in the mission architect. Maybe a clever arrangement of chained objectives could pull it off, on the right map? I think certain giant monsters or oddly boned mobs can be posed so that by default they largely clip into the ground, as well. Suspense is hard, but still doable -- there are decayed environments and its possible to introduce noise into text or use allied mob groups posed in strange tableaux. But by default what you get out of the mission architect is Castlevania. (Or if youre using the Ruladak cave, Castlevania with the lights off, which isnt so much shock as it is a bad Castlevania.)
Now, theres nothing wrong with Castlevania by itself. But its not very shocking or unsettling. I came into this expecting a meta-architect scenario, where this cult would somehow start manifesting in Architect itself and the system would go haywire trapping me inside with something that wanted to possess me. That at least is some dread-flavored horror. But what I got was Castlevania, with a plot twist I saw coming a long way away. -
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And after an overextended holiday break, tonight's arc: Cadence (466154). Verdict - **. Review below in this thread.
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@GlaziusF
Running this on a mid-40s merc/TA mastermind, +0/x2 with bosses on.
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Well. Judging from my contacts description it looks like weve got a vigilante who wants to take that last step down.
Hmm. Well, its not like Im not doing scutwork for people in Grandville anyway, but it feels a bit odd being treated as a hired thug by an outsider. What I wont do for the feel of that legal tenderness.
Capturing a Mu boss, I get an objective to lead him to some databanks, but the splodge he responds to is on the door out. You can actually lead NPCs to databanks or other glowies now, which may make for a more eventful reception in this case. Im guessing this is an old arc.
Anyway, I try and pry information out of the head of security, with about as much luck as trying to pry Captain Mako off his dinner, and go rummaging for a list of locations with a pretty minimal descriptor.
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Apparently my contacts power is developing a mind of its own, and she wants to know why. I wonder if its done something wrong, but a briefcase full of money can buy a whole lot of no questions.
Hmm. The Banished Pantheon say theres some terrible power waking up in Ebon Angel, and I find the instructions for some kind of ritual using life force to breach a dimensional barrier. Presumably the Banished Pantheon want to bring their old gods back.
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Ah. Okay. They made off with the head researcher for that purpose. Apparently were going to stop them so the world doesnt come under someone elses oppressive thumb, and so Ebon Angel can ask the Banished Pantheon some questions.
In the face.
Hmm. Okay. My contacts SG buddy warns about some kind of trickery, and apparently the Mu mystic was brought in and then summarily ignored.
Well, the only thing to do is complete the mission.
Apparently Ebon Angel was the gateway, and Adamastor gave up its own... life force? to bring back the old gods.
Does Adamastor even have that in the conventional sense? Life force, I mean. I thought he was some kind of demon god who was sealed under the sea.
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...why am I deciding to risk my own life to save the world, again? I mean, Ive been a hired thug all this time. My contact seems awfully blase about this whole thing. Its not like there isnt some silly heroic type whod just be chomping at the bit to do this.
...or her entire supergroup?
Anyway, the Hamidoffice gets used to good effect as the green dimension, and there are the standard boss masks, with big entourages and big ambushes.
I see the last ritual one floor down from the top, and when he goes down... the mission completes?
I run up top to see if there was some mistake, but... no. The last mission runs out before the top floor.
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Storyline - ***. Why am I deciding to risk my own life to save the world, again? I can kind of buy this as a rogue arc, starting out with payment but eventually putting that by the wayside in order to be helpful/because conditions demand it. But my contact was reaching out to me because she didnt want to involve her supergroup in things -- when it becomes more a matter of closing the giant rift thatll unbanish the Pantheon theyd probably be more in favor.
Also theres the issue that the Banished Pantheon are willing to sacrifice Adamastor for something as relatively fragile as this rift turns out to be. Maybe I hit it at the right time or something? Anyway, the Banished Pantheon shamans are actually all modern-day mortals whove gotten wrapped up in the cult. You could probably whip up a boss-level necro/storm custom to give up his life for the cause, rather than Adamastor.
Design - ***. The giant boss fights with giant ambushes are a pretty challenging way to end this, but given that the mission immediately before required me to fight a custom controller boss and a giant monster, it makes it seem like closing the rift isnt really that big a deal.
Also, while the last mission works as kind of a weird green chaos monster version of the mission prior, can you pick a prior mission with a larger end room? About one-third of Adamastor was clipping through the roof tiles.
Though Im not really taking off for this, other things like the Mu turning traitor in the first mission could be pulled off in more believable ways with modern escort technology.
Gameplay - ****. Mostly stock challenges here. The one custom is decent to fight on account of the help Ive got with me at the time. For some reason the Mu escort in the first mission likes to run off into enemies and stare at them, which seemed to play into aggroing them on me.
Detail - ***. No real clues for the last mission here, when theyd kinda matter most. I guess if I had the sense that this portal was really an immanent danger that only I could stop I wouldnt be so skeptical of how things turned out. But as it stands, my contact doesnt seem too worried about it - this may be down to low morale, but shes my only source for the truth of whats going on.
Overall - ***. An overall solid arc against Arachnos and the Banished Pantheon that runs out of steam at the very end. -
Tonight's arc: A Falling Angel (133390). Verdict - ***. Review below in this thread.
(Other already-played arcs encountered in the process of picking this random:
Dr. Dave and the Copper Legion (60280). *****
The Fight of Angels (329420). *
Spanks for the Memories (21144). **
The Portal Bandits (3326). ****
The Chronal Revision Engine (117678), which seems to have vanished since it was first posted.)
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- A review of Cadence (466154).
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Quote:And at the end of the arc, it felt like the end of your character's journey, which in most cases it won't be.
Well, this one's for them. The sacrifice, at least.
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Quote:#CoHMA M5: Black Scorpion wasn't as hard as I expected. And mission is finally over. Interesting, but mission fatigue was kicking in.
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Tonight's arc: Dhahabu Kingdom and the Unfathomable Nightmare of Sand (453511). Verdict - ****. Review in MA Forums Thread.
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@GlaziusF
Running this on a high-40s DBlade/Fire brute, +1/x2 with bosses on.
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Hmm. I guess its just that nonstandard contact colors dont show up in the little mini-portraits. I like what youve done with the queen.
Anyhow, the doom drought approaches.
I wonder what these little crystals are that you can put them in as allies, which is a really nice way to prevent the giant ambush problem.
Looks like the Circle are trying to do their possession thing in the middle of this horrid drought. ...but, uh, I kinda thought Dhahabu Kingdom was in some alternate dimension. Or is it more along the lines of Wakanda?
Ah, okay. The Circle came over from our world too.
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And the queen goes to talk to an island of all-female oracles. I get to be her guide there and wait outside in a boat. ...probably not going to be sitting in the dinghy holding my action the entire time, though.
Carving my way through a wall of demon flesh, I come upon several oracles, with a nice touch as the queen stops to tend to a wounded one.
Apparently the Circle are resurrecting some demon lich of drought to try and win her over to their side. Because that always works so well.
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Apparently the CoT have already hit the alarm and now its up to me to stop the resurrection.
...aw geez. Ruladak. This caves a real pain unless every enemys got some glow on it, because of the zero visibility.
And it looks like enemies dont have the glow on em.
Have the big mummy bosses got Rage on em, or just normal super strength? I seem to be getting tagged an awful lot.
Hmm. Power Boost and Earth Control mean a quicksand that does about -100% base defense debuff. Might want to look at that.
The queens retinue is otherwise reasonable though I cant really get a good look at them in this light. ...well, not entirely reasonable. The Drain Psyche on the basic slaves is kinda punishing, but they dont know the right range to use it at so it often doesnt matter.
After I find a dehydrated Circle mage, the captain of the queens guard informs me shes alive and well. Undead and well. Undead and unwell? Whatever.
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The queen has come out in a small lab in Paragon, which is now a small wrecked lab with drifts of sand in.
After I free another crystal, the queen pops up. She summons water bearers, storm/iceblast customs who definitely looks as though theyre dripping. On lower health theres an ordinary ambush, but as Ive got fire armor shes largely unable to hurt me before she drops out.
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Storyline - ****. Another fine piece of pulp adventure. The one weak link here is exactly how I managed to trap the drought lich in a water crystal. I was figuring mission 4 would provide some clues to that effect and wed trap her in mission 5, but nope, boss fight, arc over.
Its not that I cant see ways. Maybe she was originally in one of em in the underground river as kind of an eternal torment thing, and Ive got a copy of the old sealing ritual. Maybe she gave some power trinket to her guard captain from mission 3 and I can use that signature to lock her inside the crystal. Maybe her unusual constitution is of the sort that I can just drag her over and suplex her on top of it.
But Ive presumably never seen these crystals before mission 1, so I was expecting a little more than an of course! to go into the final mission with.
Design - *****. Theres some really great work done with the new custom drought zombies. Theyve got a decent look to em and sensible powersets. The Water Carriers look great, which is way more than Id expect for a one-off, and theres some novel use of the Mission Architect mechanics for the crystals in missions 1 and 4, and the queen in mission 2.
Gameplay - ***. This is pretty much all down to mission 3 and the oppressive darkness of Ruladak. Its pretty hard to make out anything that doesnt have an aura in this map. Rularuu all have them, as do (for example) the Banished Pantheon. But the customs, aside from the boss, are nigh-invisible. Drain Psyches only a pain with this AI if you start combat right close to them, which is possible when invisible, and worse yet is Power Boosted Quicksand from the shadows. I can understand the need for Quicksand on the mages, as it fits their aesthetic, but with Power Boost on it turns from a hindrance into a death mire.
Detail - ***. The supporting detail keeps up pretty well until I find the bones in mission 3, then the clues just kind of peter out, resulting in the confusion about exactly what went on that I talk about in the storyline above.
The detail on the drought lichs army is a bit lacking, too. I can understand not really bothering much with the water bearers, as theres not really much time to have a look at their descriptions in the middle of a pitched battle. But the rest of her army... well. Theyre from History, and could probably stand to have a bit of legend about them, or maybe a description of the pictures of them in an ancient scroll, rather than just a one-liner.
Overall - ****. No real big-picture concerns, aside from what Ive outlined above. Itd take just another clue or two and maybe visible auras on all the customs to satisfy most of my major concerns with how this one goes. Its a decent sequel, keeping the theme but going largely to different places. -
Eh, no need to really manage an either-or on those endings. I mean, the Arachnos could come back from their dimensional bunker or whatever, and you and TV could spot this from a long way off and decide you liked this whole independence thing, so you'd go buzz off and open a local affiliate station somewhere else entirely. Not like there's a shortage of somewhere elses.
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Tonight's arc: To Reign In Hell (448234). Verdict - ****. Review in MA Forums Thread.
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- A review of Kali's Scythe (445456), no earlier than November 11th.
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@GlaziusF
Playing this on a high 20s necro/dark mastermind, +0/x2 with bosses on.
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War. War never changes.
Nah, just funnin ya.
Ah, TVs kept itself alive in the interim. Hey, TV! Lets resume your regularly scheduled programming!
When in doubt, hit the first console you see!
Ah, alright, got some more stuff to click. The prison room kinda makes this map a pain, though, any chance you could come up with one with less height?
Anyway, automated defenses spring up with various amusing malfunctions as I move through the place.
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Ah, TV. Father, mother. Secret lover. Time to get the eyes in the sky back online.
So I encountered some of Arbiter Daoss troops trying to get power back to the rest of Arachnos, and took them down, then took a look at the spy satellites. Bloody Bays got some weird kinda force field around it, which makes it seem a bit like this was the coming storm. One satellite tells me the Rogue Isles are doing just fine, but others say that a rising tide has put Cap Au Diable underwater.
Well.
There arent exactly many bits of the Rogue Isles that are really that high up. Youd think rampant flooding would qualify under devastation.
Also this map has a flier hanger, which is basically a prison room but without the force fields that ruin your tab-targeting.
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Hmm. TV seems to be pointing me to somewhere in Grandville, suggesting that whatever affected Bloody Bay might have originated from there. Well, lets have a look.
And play in a band. Just to be safe.
Hmm. Okay, Ive got a librarian from the Legacy Chain tracing the trail of a spell that summoned a world-ravager. Judging from this bulletin board, it would seem an Arachnos researcher left a trail behind him when he was exploring the astral depths.
Oh! Interesting. Some ancient artifact from the revival of the CoT contained a magician who was employed to contact the Shivan ur-conscious. ...and then things went predictably south.
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And now its time to end... uh... a gestalt capable of exploding the sun.
Dearie me.
Well, I rescue the ghost, an illusion/flintlock pistolero. I hear grave news from topside (through the comms of some fighters) as most of the attacking forces seem to be getting wrecked, but after breaking off a stalagmite Armageddon is summoned.
Hmm.
Is he a custom? Might be worth putting some bone bits on him to better get the look of the Shivans.
Anyway, with the help of some ally Void Stalkers (as this is THEIR planet to ruin, damn it!) he goes down hard.
And... somehow Arachnos pops back out of its many fortified bunkers, like nothing ever happened? When the guy in the radio tower spouted off his death message about well, there goes half the force, I thought that half the force actually meant that half the surviving Arachnos were there in that building.
So in the final desperate push to stop the Earth from being sunnihilated, Arachnos held back enough forces to rule the Rogue Isles again?
Or did Dr. Aeon bring them in from some alternate dimension, as the closing sendoff may or may not indicate?
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Storyline - ***. You had me going right up until the end. This was a world full of mysterious destruction and burgeoning opportunity, and I was facing down with the ongoing cause of it all, ready to strap a TV to my arm and head out into the wasteland to build my own empiARACHNOS STATUS QUO.
Seriously, that comes out of nowhere, and I cant really think of why. I mean, part of the fun of the post-apocalypse is that everything from the pre-apocalypse is somehow gone or changed, and just having Arachnos reassert itself at the end there was just ridiculously jarring.
Design - *****. Missions packed with interesting stuff to do and see, with very reasonable standard enemy groups (or subsets thereof) and various customs mostly for ally details and flavor. Aside from maybe boning up the end boss I wouldnt suggest much else.
Gameplay - ****. Really the only irritating thing here is poking around the Arachnos base prison/flier rooms looking for stuff to click. So many little alcoves on multiple layers.
Detail - *****. Some really great work here with both TV and the custom descriptions.
Overall - ****. Call this 6 - 2. Its a great ride, but right at the end it crashes hard. Theres evidence that something may have changed during this arcs writing - I find alternating clues in one mission describing the Rogue Isles as mostly underwater and largely unscathed. Really, bringing Arachnos back like nothing went wrong doesnt fit with the post-apocalyptic timbre or most of the details as presented. -
Tonight's arc: The Icari (458576). Verdict - ***. Review in MA Forums Thread.
My current queue:- A review of Dhahabu Kingdom and the Unfathomable Nightmare of Sand (453511).
- Reviews of Kali's Scythe (445456) and To Reign In Hell (448234)
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@GlaziusF
Running this on a mid-20s mind/kin controller, +1/x0 with bosses on. Im expecting Ill have allies to benefit from the various buffs. Well see how accurate that is.
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Okay, time to see whats new on news.local.paragon.... Ah, so a renowned supergroup has shown up on the scene to fight the Council!
And the impetus for me to do anything there is...? Usually theres something like that in a briefing. An impetus, I mean. Even the all units be advised to just let Unbelievable Man handle this one scanner message has you remembering he was taking part in a massive companywide crossover in the Shadow Shard at the time.
I pop Not-States, Not-Psyche, Not-Storm, Not-Citadel, and Not-Mynx from their tiny tiny squads of captors, ditch them so as not to make things trivial on myself, and then get Maestro in my ear when the last ones free. Honestly half their dialogue, like Not-Caps, seemed to indicate theyd be running off on their own instead of following me around, so it was a bit of a surprise that theyd follow me in the first place.
Maybe escalate the guards up from easy to hard to make it clear that bringing them around with you is kind of desirable?
Anyway, it looks like this meteor wasnt an ordinary space rock, based on the fragment I pick up.
(I wouldnt mind the clue also talking about Maestros speech about the Circle. If he spawns in your ear his opening dialogue is easy to miss.)
Maybe you could consider some alternate sorts of capture animations and accompanying scenarios other than the thrashing in energy ring one? Makes the debrief seem like these guys are giant jerks.
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I wish that the royal blue and royal purple autocolors were a little bit lighter. Theyre pretty tough to make out against the standard briefing background.
Looks like Im tracking down this meteor to the Circle.
I find some obelisks carved with the true names of various heroes. And... the true blueprint of the robot. Okay. Apparently the CoT are pulling something like Arachnos did with their Jade Spider scenario, only for five specific heroes.
Hero to zero in the space of one mission. Ask not for whom the plothammer strikes, it strikes for thee.
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The Council had apparently planned this whole thing out, including (?) steering the meteor in from space.
Or was that just a natural phenomenon?
Anyway, Maestros second-in-command and liaison to the CoT is leading this raid, and he rants about how the depowered Icari are going to be minced up by the citys villain groups once their secret identities get out.
The debriefing seems to suggest I had all the Icari in tow, but I dragged them all back to the door before fighting the end boss in case something silly happened. Is the escort out not required? If it is then its safe enough to say that theyve just run off.
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...apparently I found some sort of device on Lt. Briggs? That would have been nice to pick up as a clue. Anyway, the Council apparently knew where these guys secret base was, though that doesnt make much sense, at least not as a direct result of the CoT ritual. It may have uncovered their identities, but unless the civilians paid for the SG base as well, I dont see how that follows.
I mean, unless the information was gathered as part of a completely separate espionage op. Which is fine in its own way, and could maybe be folded into a clue from Lt. Briggs, maybe a set of dossiers or something produced by Council intel.
Apparently the bases fire suppression systems are going off.
Hmm. Okay, so it looks like the local equivalent of Mephisto paid a visit to the Icari and offered them their powers back with an extra dash of reckless. I would not have predicted this. Not-States decided to play the field and his wife couldnt deal, Not-Psyche area-blasted some thugs and hit a fan, Not-Storm did something unspecified but nasty and wrecked her contact when he came to talk it out, Not-Citadel wrecked the people who came to repossess him, and Not-Mynx drank an entire barrel of Superadine and shredded her contact while high.
And they burned the base down to destroy the evidence.
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Im... taking matters into my own hands here. Well. Alright. Five elite bosses -- for some reason I remember them being just bosses in the first mission.
Good thing I got a Shivan, even if hes gently used.
Anyway, everybody talks about their mysterious benemalefactor, but its just a brawl against the original 5, no ominous shadow of whoever shows up.
...at least I think no shadow shows up. My last Shivan was starting to run out of skull juice so I just clicked exit when the mission completed.
For an arc thats supposed to be standalone it definitely seems to be setting up for a part 2, with the Icari vanishing from custody, no doubt at the hands of whatever force gave them back their powers.
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Storyline - ***. This story feels a little compressed. Im guessing you made it for the Aeon contest? Its taking a dramatic transformation in characters but because of the limit on missions wraps up that arc in a single one because thats all the time thats left before the big final fight. It also removes any actual things the Icari have done for me to care about them, because based on the first mission they come off as just heroes getting way too much publicity for their own good. Theres also a tease for the course of two missions about whatever gave the Icari their reckless repowers that never really pays off.
Second, while some of the character pressures kinda make sense, the ones on Not-Storm and Not-Citadel -- recapture by the INS and the military -- really dont. Not in an absolute sense, of course; I can easily see this being the plot of some comic book, but... how do I put this?
Okay. In the preludes to his Astro City trades, Kurt Busiek talks about people writing in to tell him how realistic the comic is. They cant be literal about this, as his comic features trolls, giants, animated fashion dolls, and shapeshifting alien spies. What makes Astro City seem realistic is that its set in a world where superheroes have been around for generations and society has gotten used to having them around, as opposed to your average comic book where society is exactly like modern society and superheroes showed up in issue #1 a month ago and have to fit in.
City of Heroes is also set in the former world, rather than the latter. The government has tried to draft-slash-pressure superheroes before. It was called the Might For Right Act. There are plaques all over the city describing the public protest and resistance, and the subsequent repeal. The people involved in its passage had a collective snit fit/freakout and emerged years later as the Malta Group. What Im ultimately getting at here is that the members of a supposedly high-profile supergroup would probably be aware of this precedent and the substantial support structure in place to avoid such a thing.
Design - ****. Theres some good visual work on the Icari and their civilian and corrupted forms. The missions are pretty reasonable mirrors of what theyre intended to be and theres generally a decent amount of relevant stuff to look at.
Gameplay - ***. First, five escorts scattered through a four-story building is a bit excessive. I made a couple of assumptions here -- that the Icari in their civilian forms could be hurt, and that escorting them out was required. It may be that neither of these are true, but given that the setup seems to indicate the Icari are in mortal danger, they seemed appropriate to make.
Second, five consecutive EB fights with no random spawns in between to recharge inspirations from is pretty much a recipe for exiting out and seeing the inspiration vendor, whether via hospital or other means.
Im not sure how much you can really help either of these. Given the setup they dont seem easy to address. But theyre still there.
Detail - **. No, this isnt for the clues there are. They paint a pretty reasonable picture of whats going on, and the color-coding of clues and dialogue is a decent tool, though I think the order you set up (whose clue is first, second, etc. in the set of five) gets a little wonky in mission 4. This is for the clues there arent. The ones not about the Icaris transformation but about the backing story.
That the Council are working with the Circle at all is initially mentioned only in a missable quip from Maestro. And beyond the depowerment ritual its not really clear what the Circle are bringing to the table here. Do they also find out about the Icaris civilian HQ? Their supergroup base? Or is that more the provenance of Council intelligence? And how the heck did that meteor hit Atlas Park? Accident? Ritual? Gravity satellite?
And whos the benemalefactor who repowers the Icari? Because the resurgence comes out to be pretty broad-spectrum I dont initially consider it to be a Council or a Circle plot, but rather the action of some more generalist tempter, the local equivalent of Mephisto. Except I dont know who that might be. I dont think theres really anybody with a particular reputation for doing such things, unless such a being shows up in the tip/morality missions (havent really got a chance to play a lot of them yet).
Overall - ***. Honestly this feels like two story arcs smashed together with the ends hacked off -- one that serves as an introduction to the Icari, with my character finding out about a plot against them (possibly in a dream sequence where the Tempter tries to play off some possible envy of mine) that ends when I save their civilian selves from the Council and they run off; and a second that draws out their reckless repowering and my confrontation with them a bit more, with perhaps a final showdown against a shadow of the Tempter, wholl never really be gone for good. As it is the progression is good, but it starts without much backing and the end feels raw. -
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Tonight's arc: 30 Minute Hero (386310). Verdict - ***. Review in MA Forums Thread.
My current queue:- The Icari (458576), no earlier than October 30th.
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@GlaziusF
Running this on a low-level Will/DMelee tanker, +0/x1 with bosses on.
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Endanger is a verb. The sendoff talking about people endanger should be talking about people in danger or people endangered.
Anyway, my contact for this arc interrupts me in the middle of something else to collapse at my feet and get me an address.
...the Goldbrickers? In Paragon City? Thats pretty big. And why are they at an arcane site? That generally isnt their bag.
Well, apparently somebodys paying a lot of scratch for whatever thing they dug up. I guess thats good enough?
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Time to go back, Jack, and do it again. ...but exactly why I have to do this in 15 minutes isnt clear. Maybe the compass in the clue should be getting close to telling a certain time, and I assume thats when Ill get kicked back?
The surviving tablets talk about a powerful mage who had his power sealed away in an artifact by an angel, and the raid leader talks about some guy who paid him to get this artifact.
Perhaps the two are related.
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Hmm. So now Im going back to the raid site again? It seems like I already know what I need to.
Nope, back to the raid site. In 10 minutes, which is a challenge on a pre-DO character against Goldbrickers.
...but it doesnt seem like I get any new clues or insights.
Oh. Okay. Says the debrief, I sped through there so I could go to the meeting site afterward. Apparently I know that this isnt the sort of time loop you get reset to the start of when it goes away.
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Well, at least its a tiny cave. With only a... claws/fire control EB. With a hold! And a blind! Most classes dont even get status protection until later on, or perception increases for that matter.
There are a lot of distracto glowies around his lair, but none of them seem to really tell me anything new.
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Storyline - ***. The only problem I have with the story is that I somehow know how this artifact is causing a time loop - that after a particular interval it kicks me back in the timestream to a particular place, and that when this whole thing is over everything Ive done will remain done, hence the need to save people and wreck the archmage in, what is it, 30 minutes?
Maybe the researcher could give me some kind of rundown on this thing when I meet her for the first time for the second time, or I could take some information from her car.
Design - ***. The caves are all well and good, but I question your choice of enemy group to populate them. Goldbrickers are one of the few enemy groups which are in-story native to the Rogue Isles -- Coralax, the Gremlins, Slag Golems, and Arachnoids all qualify here -- so its unusual for them to hop the ocean just for a modest payday.
Especially since theres a decent concentration of mercenaries and artifact-hunting enemy groups in Paragon City as it is. Hellions, Outcasts, Tsoo, Sky Raiders, Warriors...
Goldbrickers are modestly resilient and deal out cascading damage from range, making them slow to fight solo and even slower in teams. It doesnt matter how small the map is -- if its any size at all 10 minutes isnt much time to deal with Goldbrickers, and the time penalty from a loading screen makes it even worse. So they interact badly with time limits, and theres not much of a narrative reason for them to be in Paragon.
Gameplay - ***. Pre-Stamina pre-SO characters, who this arc seems to be aiming at, dont generally have the recovery ability or power to put out the stream of damage needed to drop the relevant Goldbrickers. And the end boss pulls out status effects that non-armor-primary characters (so everyone but Tanks) may not have the tools to deal with.
CoV does throw out elite bosses in their low-level arcs, but the most they can do in the way of status effects is some knockaround now and again.
I can understand that this arc might be considered as a challenge for higher-level people exemping down to 20, after the pattern of some Ouro challenges which are no doubt attempted in this way. But in that case, why just not lock it at 20? Theres a little too much here for level 10s to manage.
Detail - ***. After about the second mission there arent really new elements in the detail. Admittedly some of this is because the first three missions are exactly the same, but I figured thered be more surviving tablets on my third pass through the cave. And the clues for the final bosss chambers all seem to be variations on the original theme - angel fights magician, magician has a hate on.
Admittedly, probably nobody is going to bother with glowies or reading clues with the excessive time pressure on. But after the mission objectives are completed the timer goes away, and reading the clues is a bit like opening presents at that point.
Overall - ***. Ultimately the story plays out a little too much like my hero has already read the script, and the Goldbrickers, while challenging, dont really have much reason to be there.