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That it will Pete, that it will. I will be at the front of the class holding my "I told you so!" sign!

Oh, and for the record, if by some miracle the power sets actually do go live before release I will still be in the front of the class, but this time holding a sign saying "I was wrong, you were right!"

The thing I find funny, is not a single person who has disagreed with the release dates has yet to produce any solid, non ambiguous information by a Red name that says "Yes, you will get those power sets on LIVE servers several months before release."

/facepalm

Funny, because I am trying to figure out the same thing about your understanding.

Oh, and for your information, No, they don't just auto-level toons for high level testing.

And yes, DXP applies to both Test and Live servers which is what Avatea was referring to.

You must mean yourself, because I have read them all. Would you care to please link me to the one saying that Dual Pistols will be on Live servers specifically?

I am well aware of what Avatea said. Show me where it specifically says "on live server".

Avatea is talking about the people on Test who are testing the Dual Pistols set will be able to get Double XP as well as the people on Live. Dual Pistols is an integral part of Going Rogue and it will most likely not be released to Live servers prior to the expansion going live.

So I refer you to your own last paragraph. Use comon sense, do you really think NCSoft plans on releasing just one powerset of a whole expansion 4 months before it actually goes live, just for 2 months, and then take it away for 2 months, and then give it back again when the expansion is finally live in July? Really?

Look closely at the dates mentioned, then re-read my paragraph before this quote, still think Dual Pistols is going to be live on March 4th?

NO, it has not. You must not have read my whole post, I will repost it here again for you.

Already happened. It will happen in stages, if you qualify for them you will receive an email, also if you can access the Beta Forums then you have access.

Click here to check - http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...12#post2600112

No, it doesn't mean that. You also need to earn XP on Test server, which is the only way to level toons to experience new power sets. So, no, that does not necessarily mean they will be on Live on March 4th, nor that they will be on Live servers at all before launch, the wording has yet to be clarified, and remains ambiguous.

It is extremely unlikely that Dual Pistols are going to be on Live servers 4 months before the Expansion goes live, that would make no sense. Especially considering the part where they don't mention what happens to them for the months of May, June and July.

And not to be nit picky or anything, but its DUAL Pistols, not DUEL Pistols.

Actually, they will continue to be tied up with the numerous fixes and patches that follow every new release or update.

I agree, the toons i have the most fun playing are my 50's. The problem is deciding which one to play when I log in.

So because you have alt A.D.D. the rest of us have to have our challenges nerfed? nice...

Leveling is a choice, if you choose to goof around in pocket d, then hey, more power to you!

But, you could also choose to go level instead and lower the time needed greatly.

meh, its a dumb argument really. I got better things to do.

The mantra of this generation. I want it all and I want it now, no requirements, no effort, just rewards!

btw; if you need to play a *EAT to have fun then you have may have other issues.

Yeah, they all play WoW...

Most people play video games to have fun and enjoy themselves. To the vast majority of people, accomplishing goals, especially difficult ones, is fun and rewarding.

My point still stands. A reward is meaningless without an effort to obtain it. Most people that play MMO's want, or even need goals, they want challenges that have to be overcome, and to be rewarded for what they do.

They now need to remove the "Epic" label and just make them available at level 1 as just another AT for each side.

As I said before, I don't really care if its 20 or not, but the defense people are using for lowering the levels is just ridiculous. A casual player can get to 50 within a few weeks now. If you work at it, it can easily be done in under a week. A recent example is a new toon I rolled up, played him a couple hours a night and am now 47 and created him 19 days ago. Mostly Task Force xp, with a few sessions of radio missions thrown in.

In YOUR opinion...not everyone shares that opinion.

I suppose when you get a new job, or even A job, you want your raises every two weeks instead of every 6-12 months since you don't want to have to earn anything, you want it given to you for minimal effort.

I personally enjoy playing level 50's more than i do leveling to 50, so i consider it my "reward" for working up to 50 to be able to slot IO sets, and to be more effective, etc with my toon. I do not PL my toons to 50 either, I do join a farm here and there, but that is usually when I am unable to find a team any other way. Soloing is NOT worth it in CoX in my opinion, once you pass the teens it slows to a crawl while solo for the majority of players/toons.

As well as a large portion of the player base.

Feel free to post your own opinions, but do not deny me mine, nor alter what I have said. Thanks.

Yes, I PL when I want to get past that dead part from 12-20 when all you get are travel powers and fitness, however I have also run some amazingly good arcs, and continue to do so through AE.

We have some very creative people making some fantastic story arcs, and I am glad they will be getting more options to further build upon their already considerable talents.

They pretty much nixed the PLing capability of AE with the Boss farm fix and I was happy about that. I personally am glad they added the ability to alter your level/team size. That way the farmers aren't looking for fillers and quietly farm away in their own little world not bothering me or anyone else.

The *EAT changes will have zero effect on power leveling or any kind of leveling for that matter.

That aside, the *EATS were meant as a reward for putting in the time and effort to create and then take a character to 50. Your reward was being able to create one of the "Epic" characters available depending on the side you played.

Tell me what is "epic" about getting to level 20? NOTHING, especially with i16 and the huge increase in xp you get and reduced number needed to level from 1-20. Might as well just make them available at level one, hell toss in a cape at level 1 as well. While you are at it, might as well give all five costume slots available at level 1 as well.

All this does is trivialize the *EATS even further than they already have been with the extreme ease of leveling. If people, after years of playing, don't have a 50 yet then that is their choice. If they want a *EAT then they can earn it just like everyone else. Saying you have altitis, or no time, etc is a cop out. You can play super casual and have a 50 within a few weeks, a month at worst.

While I honestly don't care about this part of i17, I just think the reasons that people are giving in support of it are ridiculous and the people who are against it have valid points.

/agree

I am glad they continue to refine to MA part of the game. It is a huge portion of what keeps people playing, and is the only outlet for creativity other than costume making.

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This needs major clarification. Does this mean that we, if we pre-order, will have access to both power sets on Live servers 5 months before Going Rogue is even released? What happens in May June and July, since it only states March and April.

Or, does it mean we will have access to them on Test server for that amount of time, and then once it goes live we can make new toons like everyone else?

This is very ambiguous and has sparked several heated debates I have seen.

Please help!

*shrug* Because he gave a well thought out, and detailed post with information to back up his claims rather than just post hypocritical nonsense. However, he could have done it without the veiled insult.

I addressed several posts in my reply, but I am not willing to put forth the effort to copy and quote everyone so I just took the first reply and went down from there. This first reply just happened to be yours.

Yep, and when taken in context they are both pretty accurate. Since you did not provide any useful information here, other than saying "I think you are wrong since you didn't say if you worked in customer service or in tech support management" (which by the way is also a "belief" or "made up fact" since you do not know to the contrary.) I am assuming you just posted to argue with me so, however I will try to elaborate a bit.

The cost of implementing the fob device, when compared to the money saved by not having to deal with thousands and thousands of requests for account issues regarding hacking, stolen pw's, etc which ties up thousands of man hours will easily be covered and then some. Of course, this is dependent on the size of the customer base which greatly effects the cost savings that would be gained, so YMMV.

Yes, most people, not all, do not play multiple MMO's at the same time. Again, when taken in context, ALL players who play mmo's vs the number of those players who actively play 3+ MMO's will be far far fewer than the norm who play one, maybe 2 at the same time.

If a company can implement this feature while only charging a meager $7 for the fob and a zero percent increase in the subscription cost then the cost can't be that astronomical. I don't see why you guys are complaining about the cost when there will be extremely minimal impact to the customer, and it's not like YOU have to pay for it. This is of course assuming that all the situations would come out like Blizzard's did. If there was a corresponding increase in the monthly cost,more than a dollar or so then I might reconsider my glowing approval for this system.

Feel free to prove my "fact" or "belief" wrong if you wish, but until then I stand by them.

And yes, I do work in Tech Support and Management in fact, not that it makes any difference here.

This is ridiculous, I said MMO's, not every game. Halo, Dragon Age, etc are not MMO's and are not the target of any large scale hacking enterprise looking to make a profit.

The trial accounts don't need them since they are not worth anything yet. If you decide to obtain a full subscription then it would be prudent to purchase one(a fob) and use it.

Also, I believe most people don't play multiple MMO's at the same time so there would not be an issue trying to manage multiple fobs, and the ones that do play two, maybe three at the most.

The minor cost of the upgrades on the back end would more than be made up for by the near complete drop in petitions and customer service calls regarding account hacking.