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Not sure of the exact date, and the OP is probably long gone now, but 70 years ago is the time the A-Bomb was being developed to be dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

Either way, great post.

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61 years ago the USA dropped those bombs in those places. 70 years ago the National Socialist Party of Germany was on the Fast Track to takin over the world...

Your Insanity May Vary...hmmmmmmm

dude, he's playin innocent to make himself look reasonable. you're like the 4th person to carry on so i think he's correct in one regard...people will see what we're talking about.

Your Insanity May Vary...lots of people seeing something is part of his defence for his position on 'dom underperformance' so by his logic there is an issue with his posting techniques.

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i would say that his repeated refusal to actually do what you ask implys his understanding of what you are asking of him.

next spin attmept please...

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Djimmi, you directed this post at me, but I don't know what you mean. If you want to explain a little more clearly, I will try to answer you.

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as predicted spin attemt #2, "i dont know why that was at me, can you explain.

from kid lazarus...post the first:
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I have no intention of wading through your countless posts to prove something; if you take that as justification that I am wrong, so be it.

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post the second:
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Even if I were inclined to spend my time wading through your posts to back up my statement,...

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your spin:
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I have asked you to provide some examples from my previous posts of what you are talking about. Since you won't do so, all I can say is that I have no idea of what you mean.

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Your Insanity May Vary...keep trying to keep the initative boy. or you could give up 'tactics and strategy' and actually join the [censored] debate.

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People who make true statements don't mind being asked to back them up.

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Please provide supporting evidence for this statement:

"Since doms have less damage than any other CoV AT, they live and die by whether a team needs a dom's control more than it needs what other ATs can provide."

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I'd be happy to. Damage for doms is a secondary, whereas damage is a primary for every other CoV AT. Doms get their highest-damage powers very late -- witness Bitter Ice Blast, Blaze, and Psi Shockwave, none of which are available until level 38. There may be rare instances where a high-level dom that is specced for damage, such as, say, a level 45 Fire/Fire, can out-damage a corr that is specced purely for team support -- say a Dark/Rad that took all the /rad powers. A team leader isn't generally going to know the details of everyone's build, however, so the team leader has to go by the averages.

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i'd like to speak to this to add the experiences of a fire/fire dom (considering that was the example you stated). i can outdamage most any 'ruptor not spec'd for damage, and a few that are. i can (have actually on test cuz of one of you're previous uses of dark/rad as a benchmark) outdamage a dark/rad, who i believe was spec'd for team support, without using the monkeys. now, no way in hell do i think i can actually do the damage of say a fire/kin and his scourge, but on a team with him it'll be closer than you account for cuz i benifit from buffs/debuffs too.

with only 10 levels under my belt i cant say for sure what my ice/ice will be like, but compaired to my fire/fire this guys a frelling monster in the damage dept.

other sets, well they get less damage, but more soft controls/control options.

at level 40, aginst even con'd rip (minion, no lt or boss to buff either) blaze does ~130 damage. incinerate does 11 ticks of ~11 damage (~121) so is comperable to blaze and i've had it since lvl 4 (ONOZ...it's melee!!!)

Your Insanity May Vary...if you have no liking/respect for the control powers and think they are useless on teams then ofcourse doms suck...'trollers are kinda underpowered too with a usless primary and a secondary reduced below defenders primary ablilities.

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Yes, I do take that as justification that you are wrong. People who make true statements don't mind being asked to back them up.

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Even if I were inclined to spend my time wading through your posts to back up my statement, it would serve no purpose. You consistently demonstrate a refusal to admit when you are wrong and this very thread is proof of that. You blatantly twisted statements and motives from Bradd and, when proven that you were mistaken, you did what you always do -- shifted gears to avoid admitting you were in error. You're very fast at demanding apologies, yet I seemed to have missed your apology to Bradd.

You have long been the most disruptive poster on this forum; I have never seen another forum member, here or on any other message board, so consistently have conflicts with others. Any mature or rational person would, at some point, have a moment of self-reflection and wonder why. But, of course, you seem to feel it's always the other person causing the conflict while you stay in your long suffering victim mode.

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I have asked you to provide some examples from my previous posts of what you are talking about. Since you won't do so, all I can say is that I have no idea of what you mean.

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i would say that his repeated refusal to actually do what you ask implys his understanding of what you are asking of him.

next spin attmept please...

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Thanks, KL. That's exactly right.

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Bradd, thanks for clarifying that, based on your highest toon being level 33, you do not presume to offer build or tactics advice.

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i was gonna post something that reversed that question to you about judging the AT's worth and such but i dont even wanna reinforce that mindset cuz it's full-on elitist.

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No doubt it's time for someone to bring up the fact that I have no proof that a majority of people who try grav doms would greatly benifit from an improvment in grav dom's broken powers. True enough, but that is my opinion based on experience, forum posts, guides (see below) and people I've talked to.

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and you are entitled to it. but you seem to accept that opinion as 'fact' or 'thuth' or 'proof' which it is not.

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I try to make a habit of not interjecting in other people's arguments but the subject of Propel's animation time was brought up and I wanted to file a motion to put that particular complaint into the "fact" column.

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noted. ok. you're opinion is that it's a fact (sorry, i couldn't resist )

seriously tho. i've said it and said it, INDIVIDUAL POWERS BEING REVIEWED IS A GOOD THING FOR ALL AT'S, not just doms. and i really have no experience with propel personally, so HAVE NO [censored] CLUE if the animation time is really that annoying/gamebreaking, but a 4 second wind up to a [censored] st attack does seem rediculous. you [censored] happy??? i'm even gonna run over to the issues list right this minute and make [censored] sure it's [censored] on it!!!! [censored] worked for IC, ISC, and confuse, also as i've pointed out several times!!!

Your Insanity May Vary...

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crusades

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nope, it isnt, nor is it seatbelts but i was responding to analogy, you know 'things done to us for our own good'.

oh, wait. you just wanted something to take out of context to ridicule my and invalidate my message.

my bad.

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No I'm really not dismissing your responses... except when the analogy is that overblown. Sorry but I dont agree with use of any sort of analogy that goes to a far extreme of any version of mass death, politics or religion. Agreeing or disagreeing with me, I think it's best not to bring up that kind of subject here.
So lets move on past that.

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fine. thanks for picking my overblown analogy as opposed to one of the ones i responded to from the 'fix-dom' camp.


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Your point is that it's generally best to not force people to do things they dont want to do. I can accept and agree with that, I certainly didn't want ED forced on me. The reason I see a change to grav dom's broken powers or a small boost to doms in general as a good change is that I honestly believe that more people would benefit from it than would be hurt from it. Let's say they boost your damage 15% and you end up killing mobs so fast that you find the character boring and for some reason you dont simply fight mobs a lvl higher than before. Granted your game has been hurt. But if a large majority of people now find that doms have gone from perceived as underpowered to now being perceived as just right (both from players and team mates), then it was a worthwhile sacrifice IMHO.
Same thing can be said for any specific grav power changes like for example reducing propel activation from 4 seconds down to 2 seconds. I have no doubt some people will say OMG I'm killing stuff to fast now!!! But most people are going to say OMG propel is a viable power again.
I think it's even quite possible that changes could be made to satisfy everyone who finds doms currently underpowered while not upsetting most of the people who find doms fine the way they are now. No body here is asking for to be uber.

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my point was to debunk faulty analogy...and thx for not including any overblown analogy/examples yourself. (end sarcastic tone). on the ED compairson, how many people liked it? yet i hear a minortiy of players campained for it (or atleast defended it's implementation). i dont wanna see history repeat itself. and MMO's are notorious for fixes that need fixes that need fixes...

it's also being argued if small boosts to things like damage, HP etc would really make a difference. and i've said in other posts just recently that individual powers getting looked at is a good thing, for every AT, not just this one.

oh, and some ARE actually calling for us to be 'uber'...

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No doubt it's time for someone to bring up the fact that I have no proof that a majority of people who try grav doms would greatly benifit from an improvment in grav dom's broken powers. True enough, but that is my opinion based on experience, forum posts, guides (see below) and people I've talked to.

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and you are entitled to it. but you seem to accept that opinion as 'fact' or 'thuth' or 'proof' which it is not. just like mine isnt...until the actual facts back it up. (and this is where someone comes in with all this anecdotal 'proof' that what you are saying is 'true' and i'm a stoopid [censored] for not seeing it...)

Your Insanity May Vary...Waybreaker is/was just what his name implys...not the pinnacle of dom knoledge, but the guy who gets the path started. he started us down the path, and for that i'm greatful...but i've learn't a thing or 2 he didn't see since then...

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as to the rest, i think most of the people YOU PLAY WITH (ie the powergamers in your VG) may think that, but it's not a solid representation of the opinion for the entire player base, regardless of how often you imply otherwise. mabey i get my enjoyment from all the complements i get from playing my dom. dont assume you know what fun is for most people, much less everyone.

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You say that as if the two concepts have to be mutually exclusive.

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guess they dont necessairly. depends entirely on you're opinion of things. i have a good toon that i play well, and who get's those elusive invites to 8man powergaming VG teams every so often (no LRSF yet. but i've been specifically requested be some for a couple of the newer AV fights...frellin hate the 'ville. stoopid lagmonster keeps killin me out of mish. if i can get to it, im usually fine tho), so my opinion is different from someone else who doesnt see the same things in the dominator that i do (ie, noone sees me as 'not carrying my weight' so i never knew until i read it here on the boards, so all i saw was the compliments and the questions about how i did that and what i'd recommend for a dom toon). that's cool as far as it goes. but 'changing' the AT in the name of "improvements" that i dont see needed is where i stand up and get into the discussion. tweeks/fixes to indivitual powers are case by case and i'm for that in all AT's as they most all need love in that area, but some want drastic change/total rework which would 'break' something for ME. in the end, it's the dev's who will have the final say and we'll all just have to deal.

Your Insanity May Vary...just like your opinion.

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Its not that we prefer them to be unchanged. Its just that some people are blowing things out of proportion, just like positron stated. I pulled a ice/fire dom to lvl 42 in 4 months almost completely with large PUGs.

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If you are happy with taking 4 months to get to level 42, and if you team with PuGs rather than an organized VG, I can see where you would think doms are OK, or at least I can see that you perhaps don't have the experience to evaluate what other ATs can do on a team in skilled hands.

NinjaMonkey discounts that factor as "min-maxing," and I agree with him that it's a game and the primary thing is to enjoy it, but I think for most people the enjoyment in the game comes from seeing how good you can be. If you aren't a member of a good VG that regularly runs large teams doing hard missions (or on the friend's list for members of such a VG) then you really don't know what you are missing.

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ok, first so it took 4 months...notice he didnt state total hours played. he mabey only had 2 hours every other day to dedicate to the game. you're making/implying judgements there with insufficent information.

second, if you're a hard core, 8-10 hour a day, and will only team with a solid group of vg/friends so you can power you're way thru the game then i can see you thinking doms are underpowered. or i can see that you perhaps dont have the experience to evaluate any AT for the entire player base.

as to the rest, i think most of the people YOU PLAY WITH (ie the powergamers in your VG) may think that, but it's not a solid representation of the opinion for the entire player base, regardless of how often you imply otherwise. mabey i get my enjoyment from all the complements i get from playing my dom. dont assume you know what fun is for most people, much less everyone.

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crusades

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nope, it isnt, nor is it seatbelts but i was responding to analogy, you know 'things done to us for our own good'.

oh, wait. you just wanted something to take out of context to ridicule my and invalidate my message.

my bad.

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This week I met a person intent on leveling to 50 without a travel power. He fully realizes that when he is teaming and there isn't someone to tp him, that he will be causing his team to wait or to fight without him.
Personally I think that's a bit crazy but if that's what he wants to do and he accepts the consequences then great. He not only accepts being gimped but prefers it.
That's fine for a personal choice in play-style, but it's not fine for an AT or powerset. You may enjoy playing a powerset that is gimped, you may even convince yourself that it isn't gimped. But when there are a large number of people who say it's weak then in spite of your statements otherwise, something is wrong with the powerset.

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perspecive can be a killer. amazing what gets overlooked in these kinds of stories. ok, what 2-3 powers did he get to choose in liu of the travel powers? did those help the toon out alot? did he/she have problems finding teams because of this?

and to the AT/powersets comment, why is it more crazy to wanna play a toon you see as 'gimped' because of the AT/powerset than to wanna play a toon that you see as 'gimped' because of not choosing travel powers. dont you choose AT/powersets? it's ok to be crazy and go no travelpowers but not to go (you see it as) bad AT/powerset? even if the driver of the toon is having fun doin it? why the frell would you even care?

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It's like a restaurant where 20% of the people say it's the best food in town and they have never been served a bad meal. And there is another 20% that say they get sick when they eat the food from that restaurant. In that situation the thing to do is shut the restaurant down until you can figure out what is wrong. It really doesn't matter that a few people dont have a problem with it. Nor does it make sense for those people that like the restaurant to say "too bad, you just dont have a strong enough stomach" or you just dont understand the food. Bottom line is even with just 20% of the people getting sick... there's something wrong with the food.

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except that there is no substantial proof that the restaurant is actually the cause of the 20% getting sick and those 20% are having wildly varing symptoms indicating (medically speaking to the analogy) that 'the restaurant' is not the spreading vector.

and, continuing the analogy, there are 9 or 10 other restaurants between both sides of town, and the other 20% dont really like to eat there.

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Last week someone said Gravity is great because they can go spam Dimension Shift on -10 minions to build up domination and then jump into the pvp zone. Again, personally I think that's crazy. But if that's what he wants to do I have no problem at all with him doing it. What I do have a problem with is my team members being upset with me because they have to stand around while a dozen mobs are untouchable; or I only use DS as an extreme emergency button which makes it extremely situational (and it doesn't even work well in those situations). Bottom line is even though one person has found a personal use for the power, for so many people its unusable. For a powerset to have one power that is so flawed for most people is a bad thing. Gravity has many flawed powers and of course this is all on top of Doms in general being so weak outside of the situational Domination.

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at the risk of sounding too elitist, that's why we get to choose powers instead of just get them assigned automaticly as we level...also what respecs are for. same as the other 9-10 AT's

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No it's simply not good enough to cater to the few people that like the powerset when so many others dont. Especially when most of the fixes that have been suggested will improve the powerset for those that dont like it without hurting it for those that do.

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sorry you feel this way, cuz i have the exact opposite opinion...it's unreasonable to change ('improvements' are matters of opinion at this point and subject to perspective...yours may, and apperantly does, vary) the powerset to cater to the people who arent enjoying it when there is a sizable group of people who do enjoy it, especially when many if not most of the changes would effect powers that they are currently using to fun and success (you're probably talking specifically about grav/ here so i'm not gonna get into that meatgrinder, but the analogy and [most] of the post was about dominators, not grav/ dominators and i'm defending the AT, not just one powerset).

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Another analogy, it's like forcing car manufacturers to put seat belts in. You may hate seat belts and prefer cars to not have them. But for the good of the public, car manufactures should be forced to put seat belts in. Likewise, for the good of the dom playing public, the devs should be forced to balance doms up to being as good as other ATs even if there are a few people that dont want it. All the more so since all the suggestions to improve doms wont hurt virtually anyone from enjoying them including those that dont want the change i.e. being forced to wear a seat belt wont hurt you but it will help many others; being forced to have a slightly stronger dom wont kill you.

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all i gotta say is the dev's are selling 'cars' and if they do something that changes 'cars' to the point that they are 'no fun to drive' then well, there is always motorcycles...but the devs want as many different types of people to by their 'cars' and so provide many different 'models' that can have different 'options'. (oh, btw, car manufacturers didnt start doin this 'for the good of the people, making the analogy suspect. they did it because a large group of people demanded it of government [mostly comprised of insurance lobbyists] so government stepped in and required seatbelts. car manufacturers had no choice! so unless you can get the government to force the dev's to 'improve' [your choice of word, i'd say modify or change] the AT, again you're analogy is suppect.) if you dont like the 'safety record' of the dom model 'car' due to it's 'lack of safety belts' then dont 'buy' a dom. it's you're money and you can either spend it driving something fun, or campaining to change something unfun. or do you find the other 4 CoV and 6 CoH ATs unfun aswell?

oh, and as to the whole 'forcing people to do something for there own good', this has historically been a 'bad thing'...think crusades, state supported religion, prohibition,...actually the only 'good' examples i can think of off the top of my head were emancipation/civil rights for minorities and women...oh, and seatbelts!

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Anyone who says doms wouldn't benefit from a few more hit points or a little more control or damage, or for gravity that reducing activation time for propel or making DS a toggle so you have the option to turn if off... if you cant agree to a few changes that would help the virtually all players; then we'll just have to disagree and I believe the person who suggested that you just like to argue for the sake of argument.

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but it's unthinkable to immagine i could put as much or more effort into preserving something that has brought me hundreds of hours of fun? typical for posters from both sides of this discussion, you have found a convienent way to 'dismiss' my posts, in this case as me just liking to 'stir things up'...especially as i got no problem with them nockin a sec or 2 off of propel's activation time. probably is an anoying gamemechanic with no real purpose like the ones that used to be in confuse and the ice swords/fire swords.

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ok. read that whole thing. you sum up your opinion of the problem very well. i would like to comment here tho:

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What if RSF's last mish were 8 EB's? Triangles aren't the problem with dominators.

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on the surface i'd say you have a point, but then i thought "well, i bet a team of 8 doms could probably actually deal with 8 +4 EB's without the triangles..." and the hypothesis fell apart for me. i've been in situations were i've ended up being the one to solo the +4 EB without triangles (my duo partner DC'd) and won without dying.

Your Insanity May Vary...Triangles arent the problem...the jump from mag -4 to mag -49(at least) might be tho...

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10% for spd, 25% for recharge (IIRC). And yes, being able to still function (use inspirations, activate teleport, wormhole attackers away, etc) is much nicer than being unable to do anything at all.

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guess it's an opinion thing, cuz loosing cuz i'm 'held' or loosing cuz 'i can fire off 1 shot to his 6 due to debuffs, and his 6 hit harder cuz of buffs' in not 'much' nicer. especially as i can BF the holdl, but not the buffs.

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Ice/NRG is feared for its debuffs?

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sorry, hadnt finished coffee yet...guess we both can mistake stuff huh?

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Get a speed boost. Problem solved.

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im not satisfied with 'have a pocked 'ruptor help you' as an answer to buffs/debuffs in game.

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No, I said making control more powerful so that dominators contribute more will in turn make controllers even more powerful (unless the change is dominator-only, i.e. through a change to domination).

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only if they leave 'trollers ablilites to buff/debuff in it's current mechanics.

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never could understand how stacked -slow and -rchg is less annoying or gamebreaking to have on ya than stacked mez...

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Because you can still function with -spd and -recharge on you. They also have floors, so you will be able to use some powers (including Phase, Teleport, Heal, etc). There are also buffs to counter them, which are much stronger than the debuffs (speed boost for instance).

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um, ok i guess i dont see how 10% of your speed/recharge left is any better for you then to be held (note i said mezzed before...holds are NOT the only mez ingame)

notice i said adjustments to (de)buff...sorry if you didnt catch that i ment BOTH by the way i typed it. is just easier than typin buff/debuff.

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Overall, debuffs really are not that strong in PvP. If they were, Dark would be the king. And, of course, there is the psycology of being completely helpless (held) versus having a chance (debuffed).

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tell that to the hordes of ice/cold 'ruptors or ice/nrg blasters.

and i'm a real life kinda guy, so miniscule chance pretty much equates to no chance for me. hence i see no difference. not even in the speed with which i'd be dispached in either instance. except i could (under the current mechanics) pop a BF and be free of the hold/mez and keep on fighting. the buffs just mean i can run or fire of that one shot i have time for.

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As for nerfing debuffs, again I think that will just create greater rifts in all of the buff/debuff sets. Buffs are already better most of the time, and in PvP. Debuffs are really only better during AV battles, and even then you still want healers/buffers around.

Sure, we could nerf debuffs and then nerf AVs, but then we go back to the "defenders are not needed" problem before all of the -regen and such were added.

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i said nerf both buff and debuff, sorry again if you didnt catch that from way i typed it.

and it's ok to overpower buffs/debuffs so defenders have a purpose, but for doms it'll just make 'trollers overpowered?!? when it's the buffs/debuffs that are most valued from 'trollers?

reign in buffs/debuffs, LOOSEN (not remove) the leash on mezs. balance out buff/debuff aginst mez and alot of the other balances between dom/'ruptor/'troller/ go byebye from what i've seen.

Your Insanity May Vary...

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Making control stronger versus AVs in general is simply going to make Controllers even stronger, and possibly some corruptors/defenders too. Obviously, damage is not something the devs want to give dominators, which leaves us with ... more changes to Domination (which is precisely what they are adjusting).

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only if they tweak mez...what if they were to bring (de)buff inline at the same time? then we get 'trollers limited less, but to BOTH sets, the (de)buffs get made 'less rely'd' by similar, but toned down limits to mez, and the limits to mez are relaxed somewhat.

net result...3 balanced AT's (dominator's get a boost, trollers get balanced, 'ruptors are brought back into line aswell...)

dunno if something would have to be given to 'fenders or MM's for this, but i highly doubt MM's couldn't take the hit...

Your Insanity May Vary...never could understand how stacked -slow and -rchg is less annoying or gamebreaking to have on ya than stacked mez...

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Defenders can do the same thing Corruptors can, as they have the same stacking of buffs and debuffs. In fact, they can do it better, because they get better numbers from their powers than Corruptors do, and with 8 people buffing and debuffing base damage becomes largely immaterial.

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another point which leads me to believe the problem is how mez and (de)buff are currently implimented...

Your Insanity May Vary...

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Corruptors are not overpowered.

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IMO correct, but (de)buff in it's current incarnation is tho...

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Dominators are underpowered

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again, IMO correct, but mez in it's current incarnation is tho...

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I can't think of a single situation in the game where a dominator is a better choice for a teammate than a corruptor (except for stalker heavy teams), but for months trying to get that point out on these forums got me hate-mail

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wow, hatemail? really? and i feel kinda guilty about all my semi-grouchy posts.

anyway, as has been pointed out in this thread, you can remove the word 'dominator' and replace it with 'stalker', 'brute', and 'master mind' and it will still hold (mostly) true. i've been saying for months that this is the case with about as much success...minus the hate mail (they just nail me in the thread until it's locked or deleted).

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The RSF isn't an unfair encounter, it's simply a magnifying glass to show what the ATs are capable of

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and since you can replace any AT with a 'ruptor and be AT LEAST as successful i'd say that's indicative of a overpowerment with 'ruptors as opposed to other AT's being underpowered.

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The AT needs a boost. Badly.

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say we do get a 'boost' to be 'equal to' or, more exactly 'contribute asmuch to a team as' 'ruptors. would we be the equal of a brute too? or would we then have to 'boost' brutes? then, when those three are 'balanced' do you think MM's and stalkers will be fine?

now, apply the same artifical inhibitors to (de)buff as are currently applied to mez. other than 'toning down' the mobs that are made so tough just so (de)buffers cant just 'god mode' thru them and would you still see the inbalances?

Your Insanity May Vary...and if they did both the 'loosing' of mez's leashing and 'tightnin' of (de)buffs leash, could it be that 'trollers and 'ruptors could be brought into line with the other AT's all while giving dominators 'something (more IMO, cuz i can actually see [as can most people i've teamed with BTW] what i can bring to teams) to bring to teams'?

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The first dismisses the one and only problems/solutions thread that seeks a reasonable middle ground. It wants concensus and proven issues, not hyperbole and ranting.

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Consensus among whom? If the issues were more accurate, and the clique more reasonable I would have no problems with such a thread.

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i believe you mean cabal, not clique...

Your Insanity May Vary...of to the dom cave to opress more opinions...

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I agree with your point that just because someone comes in and makes a claim, does not mean everyone else has to disprove it

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not to detract from the rest of your post, but my point was about the aplication of subtle debating techniques...not so much if it can be answered as commenting on the 'subtext' and 'subliminal implications' within debating points.

Your Insanity May Vary... glass half empty/half full as applied to highfalutin debate...

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There is a reason for that, and it has nothing to do with people not knowing how to play their ATs

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yup. it's the artificial limitations implimented by gamemechanics on mezzes. to keep it from being way overpowered...like (de)buffs are currently IMO.

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I totally agree. Mez's are too binary? Well, the gamemechanics instituted to deal with only make them more binary. A more imaginative solution needs to be come up with, and many on these boards have done just that, its up to the devs to make some change.

Game Mechanics like Break Frees, Suppression and Purple Triangles were designed with Controllers in mind. Dominator secondaries were made with the control primary in mind, but applying game mechanics that were designed to deal with Controllers punishes Dominators in the extreme.

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at this point i'd be happy just to see (de)buff hampered/inhibited the same way...let the 'ruptors [censored] for once!!!!! and then they could loosen the restrictions on mez so that 'trollers are still 'balanced' (probably more balanced as the half of their set that is inhibited is the half that has not been continually improved...(de)buff!)

and yeah, i know why it happened (the part about keeping it from being WAY overpowered), and yeah they need to find a 'better way' to which i have no good solution (other than remove the limits so all the doomsayers can have a week or to of the tankmagedom they seem to clamer for).

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well, if people are sometimes shortsited enough to fall for it, then it deserves to be pointed out for them to see...not that they will...

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Again, I'll take you more seriously when you start posting facts and sources instead of biased hearsay.

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dunno if he's actually trying to 'prove' anything. it's already 'proven' in his mind and he's just throwing out 'buzz phrases' that put negative connitations to the topic and we are reacting to it as opposed to redefining it. keeps the initative and allows him to 'control' the debate. pretty standard tactics...for example

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That means that teams can now spare at most one "charity" slot for a Stalker or dom.

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went strait past a 'discussion' about the rsf to the implied concept that doms are 'charity cases', and has REPEATED it in this thread. automaticly now, we have to 'dig out of the hole' that statement put us in...gaining/maintining initative. great at 'making your point', horrible at solving dilemas. good to see people have been paying attention to standard GOP strategies.

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There is a reason for that, and it has nothing to do with people not knowing how to play their ATs

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yup. it's the artificial limitations implimented by gamemechanics on mezzes. to keep it from being way overpowered...like (de)buffs are currently IMO.

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i was just considering the new implications that it's insulting to point out others calling DOOOOOOOM.

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wooo havn't done that in awhile. Thanks!

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i'd comment but i've been informed it's rude.