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Quote:No it hasn't been covered. Their video is unclear and so is the official website. I have PM'ed Zillinger for clarification on the point and when I hear back I'll post the information so that it is clear to everyone.Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
This has been covered. It's "free" in that you do not *pay* for it, but it is not '"free" in that it does not cost tokens, it still costs tokens (which they have given you). -
Quote:Just like the "Free" 150pp/month for just being a tier 9 subscriber? I don't see that on the pyramid and wouldn't expect that or the costumes to cost a token to unlock but we'll just have to wait and see, until the devs actually clarify what they mean and say.Originally Posted by Snow Globe
I've yet to find a marketer that hasn't abused the word "free".
They are giving you a free reward token each month and each year. By the twisty language marketers have, they can claim that they are free.
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thanks for the timestamp.
Either they're free or they cost tokens. If they're free then the page is fine. If they cost tokens then the devs need to stop throwing the word "Free" around because they're not "Free" and the website needs to be changed.
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Can't really post the one of Ghost widow frenching Numina...
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Quote:Must have missed that in the ustream. Even if it were vip only I'm sure they could gate the market to not sell things to non vip members, thus making it available for vips only to purchase. They seem quite capable of having the ability to gate everything else now based on account status so I doubt this is a stretch.Originally Posted by Snow Globe
That I would highly doubt. Black Pebble and Zwillinger said the Celestial set would be exclusive for VIPs.
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Quote:right i should have worded it in the third month you'll gain another token on top of the ones from 2 months, so you'd have a total of 3.Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
To clairify there DJ, you get a token every month, you had that right in "2 more months" but you also said "in 3 months you'll have another token" that's incorrect, you'll have 3 tokens, plus any you might've gotten for being subscribed for a year. It's probably safe to assume that they're account wide unless stated otherwise. I can't imagine them "taking away" anything you already have (as that's counter to the stated goal of the new system). The only real question there is the new consumable items: will each character be able to, for example, claim 5 of them, or will that be 5 total per account? (My assumption unless told otherwise on those is that they're 5 per account).
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Quote:According to the ustream and the official website the tier 9 vip stuff is free and doesn't cost tokens. the regular tier 9 stuff cost tokens.Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
*shrug* fair enough. The issue is your chart implies that people need to select the Tier 9s before the Tier 9 VIPs and I think a lot of the people who are concerned about the system will do it in the opposite order.
Quote:Tier 9 and Tier 9 VIP
Tier 9 and Tier 9 VIP are the top tiers of the Paragon Rewards program. The rewards theses tiers offer are meant to benefit our most veteran players.
- Tier 9 offers new consumable, repeatable rewards.
- Tier 9 VIP offers new exclusive costumes, powers, and other exciting in-game rewards. These Tier 9 VIP rewards will be refreshed every 3 to 4 months and are available for free for Tier 9 VIP players. Players must have an active VIP subscription in order to claim Tier 9 VIP rewards.
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Quote:15$ per 1200 paragon points awards you 1 reward token. So basically 15 dollars a token though they are not technically for sale.Originally Posted by McCharraigin
Big Wide Grin....Small world....I hit 54 months on the 24th Of July too
I am also a tad confused ..think I am in the very start of tier 7....but not sure.
Tier 8 is where I want to be, and I wonder how much of a bite it will take out of my pocketbook to get me there "Naow"
Lisa.
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Quote:I completely agree.Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
Without building it in some way similar to the way Djeannie suggested earlier (making stuff cost a set number of "tokens" and letting you buy whatever you wanted) there's not really an easy way to do that. The problem with that system is, it doesn't incentivise continually maintaining an active VIP sub to get new shinys (what the current system does, but it's opressive and draconian), because if everyone could just buy up the Remote Vault and Remote AH and Return to Battle stuff right away with maybe 3-5 tokens each, they would, and then they'd have less reason to stay subbed. This strikes a happy(er) medium between Paragon wanting us to pay them monthly and the rewards system not feeling so overburdensome and draconian that newer players feel they'll never get to the "good stuff" they really want. I think especially the changeover to 1 a month helped that immensely, and I suspect if Paragon had it all to do over again they'd have done a monthly vet system back then too.
Edit: I rest my case, note the post above me talking about how awesome the Remote Vault and Remote Auction powers are :P
Paragon Studios did want some stuff gated in some way and this is far kinder then the current vet reward system for newer players. -
Quote:It is very possible they'll put them up for sale too, to buy with paragon points. They'd make more money that way for sure and it would just allow longer time vets or patient people to get them for free as tokens accrue.Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Hmn...holding of Joy or Raaaaage until later clarification of what comes where and does what
Rest assured, I really, REALLY want those new armours, weapons and wings. I will kill for them, too. Be warned >_> -
Quote:Mine keeps Positron in coffeeOriginally Posted by Arcanaville
I'm pretty sure mine paid for pizza last week.
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Quote:From what it looked like on the ustream, whatever tokens you've accrued (found by the math scattered throughout this thread) will then be autoapplied to the paragon reward tree, which gives you basically everything you've already unlocked, but if you're partway into another tier on the tree you get to choose where those tokens are going to be spent.Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
And what about Veterans who HAVEN'T been here since launch? Unless I'll still be at tier 9 ish anyway, in which case that's less of an issue.
Maybe it needs clearer explaining, or the UStream (which I can't watch till Saturday, due to the net on hols being pants) will make it clearer...
Example:
You have 20 tokens, you are auto bought up to 18 (lets say 18 is a full tier) so you have 2 left over that you can choose from the 4 things in the new tier that you have opened up. In that tier are 2 costumes, respec token and tailor tokens. you choose the respec and 1 of the costume tokens.
In 2 more months you will have 2 more tokens to spend. To move past that tier you're currently in you'll have to buy the costume tokens and the other costume.
In 3 months you'll have another token to spend on the newest tier you've unlocked etc...
Basically whatever you have ingame now, they are saying that you will have the tokens allocated that would have unlocked that stuff you already have.
The thing that needs clarification is what of these are global per character and global per account. This is the difference of claiming 18 merits on every character as you can now and only being able to claim 18 merits ever....for those things that have multiples per character (tailor tokens, merits, respecs) -
Quote:it could be an extra random recipe drop like oro gives you on mission completion or perhaps a smaller boosted chance per foe defeated too.Originally Posted by Emberly
I'm betting it's something like an extra 100K inf on mission complete for 24 hours or something of similar usefulness.
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Quote:No my 15 bucks a month and your 15 bucks a month keep new materials coming. They pay the salaries of Paragon Studios. If everyone quits they go out of business or ncsoft tries to find them some other work or just fires them all.Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
Wow. Entitled much? Please remember your $15.00 a month is for access to the servers. All this stuff you get free as long as you stay subscribed. Hell, I would have access to most of it if I went premium.
Sounds an awfull lot like "**** you and your free stuff, I want other free stuff, and it better be good free stuff or I'll ***** and moan."
Jesus H Christ.
I've worked in this industry and others related to it and I have very strong feelings about poorly done, shoved out the door work and when I see that I will say something about it.
I remember reporting silly things like floating girders back when CoV was in beta where some artist just lost a portion of something they were building in Port oakes and I happened to find it while flying around. It was reported and summarily removed.
I expect high quality from Paragon Studios as they have done in the past and I will continue to hold them to that level of quality. -
Quote:You want the very same proof, which is off topic on the shoddyness of the last few costume releases via boosters and ingame? Fine here's a list for youOriginally Posted by Snow Globe
Sorry, too much rant with too little to back it up. Oh, and check out this link, timestamp 33:00 til the end. Timestamp 34:15 shows it in action, not stills. The stills are also in the first post of this thread.
Animal Pack
- Non scaleable heads that are too small for the bodies
- Bull head that has no way to plug the horn holes if no horns are chosen.
- Can't do female cow look due to the horn holes, which cows do not have.
- Bustier clipping in various categories, has been addressed 2x and is still clipping.
- Halter top clipping in various categories, has been addressed as above. Clipping on this one is fixed.
- Bustier/Halter Has smooshed looking boobs in every category making the chest look weird.
- Colors are muted and are very difficult to blend with any other part due to this.
- Blacks are not really black but a dull grey on these parts.
- Bustier/Halter are not in a category where you can have sleeves and a large variety of gloves due to being crammed in the very limited jackets category. This could be solved by being in shirts category also, which they are not.
- Neck band piece has a 1 and 2 option but only in tights, 2 is not in any of the other categories after it was added.
there are a few for you on the steampunk fiasco.
Ascension Parts
- Shoulders have options that no other part has (gloves & legs)
- Shoulders and Legs have 2 color options that Gloves lack.
- The gloves don't blend in with the other parts due to lacking the second color choice, this was reported multiple times and I can only assume that it's laziness on the artists part as to why this even went live in this current iteration.
It saddens me because the actual parts, outside of these things look fantastic in all the packs and the ascension stuff. If these errors were corrected that would be fine but I don't expect most of these to be addressed at all. After all the Clockwork chest detail STILL has pokethrough when used on a busty female character and that's been reported since it came out with GR. -
Quote:Yet due to lack of information we don't know. 5 per character is hardly overpowered if every time you want to get 5 more you'd have to spend a monthly token to do so. Also no information on stacking has been released. Can you use these 5x on one enhancer? Can you turn a lotg +7.5% global recharge into a 75% global recharge with 10 of these? (I serously doubt there won't be some sort of limiter like no more then 2 per IO making it a ++...and it may make a 7.5% into a 8.5% so the most you'd get is 9.5% boost for 2 instead of making it a 22.5%...this is pure speculation.)Originally Posted by AquaJAWS
I'll be willing to bet that even after choosing the reward slot via tokens, each character will have to 'claim' some individually as well. Thats about the only way to handle the rewards that have a choice, like the vanity pets, combat pets, melee/ranged powers, etc.
Items where like a character gets a costume change tokens, or merits, or respecs or whatever else, its not going to be 1 new costume change per account, its going to be 1 new costume change per character per account. Otherwise, their extremely stressed statements around this system of players won't loose anything they already have is false.
Some of the new repeatable stuff they're introducing though, like the unslotter or enhancement boosters, I don't believe they have specified yet if thats per character or per account, however I'm expecting those two to be 5 per account, and not 5 per character, especially since they are repeatable, people could VERY easily end up with some VERY over-powered characters from the enhancement boosters after several months.
The whole repeatable thing sounds like you must buy them again for them to be "repeated". That's fine IF they're global per character and not global per account. I would also assume they're not tradeable, though you could unslot something, mail it to yourself, use another character to enhance, mail it back, to get around a 5 / character limit but that's no different then claiming 18 merits, hitting all exploration badges in 1 zone to be over 20, do a random roll and mailing that recipe to another character, deleting the recipe drone and doing it all again. -
Quote:Except that's not how it's worded at all. It says you get the VIP rewards free in tier 9. Now from looking at the chart the non consumables are in the VIP segment of the tier 9 tree.Originally Posted by AquaJAWS
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Tier 9 is a little special. The normal Tier 9 slots are repeatable and consumable and can be claimed as much as you want. There are also VIP Tier 9 slots that you ONLY have access to if you are a VIP subscriber. If you have enough tokens to unlock Tier 9 AND you are a VIP subscriber you may use your tokens on these slots. You don't have to pay an additional fee after what you've already paid to get you VIP subscriber status and your reward tokens in order to use them.
If you have to use a token to "buy" them then they're not "free" as you're still "paying" to access them and the wording on the main page needs to be changed.
If they are "free" and cost no tokens then the front page is fine, though a little clarification with an example would be better. Hell there are so many people questioning what the devs mean that they should go and rewrite the whole thing to be clearer.
Like the earlier question about merits. Are these going to be a global thing claimable by all characters on the account and any future characters, as the veteran rewards work today? Or are they going to be a 1 time claim and you'll have to "buy" them again in the future using up your precious tokens?
IF it's the latter then that sucks! It's far less then what we currently get as long time veterans.
Example: A one time claim of 7 merits according to the page for veterans that you'd have to purchase over and over per character compared to currently getting 18 merits on every single character you have once per character and any new character you make. -
Quote:This is what's confusing on the "official page'Originally Posted by AquaJAWS
Your misunderstanding the upper levels.
Here are the levels:
1st = 1 (1 cumulative)
2nd = 1 (2)
3rd = 3 (5)
4th = 3 (8)
5th = 5 (13)
6th = 7 (20)
7th = 7 (27)
8th = 7 (34)
9th = 5 infinite repeatables = infinity
9th VIP = 3 (37)
You can unlock ANY of the options on the tier once its unlocked in whatever order you want, but you HAVE to unlock them all to move up to the next tier. The 'T9 VIP' unlock the with the rest of the repeatable T9s. The difference is you have to be VIP (as I understand it). Thats why they are T9 VIP and not T10.
If you have 36 vet tokens to 'spend' when this goes online, you'll have to spend 34 to unlock all of them through T8. That leaves you with 2 to spend on the 8 possible T9 options. 5 are repeatable, 3 are the new costumes. You will actually only have to wait a month (since after this goes online you get one token per month, not one per 3 months) and you will have everything they have listed here. Anything after that you can spend on any of those 5 T9 repeatable options you want, or when they add more into the T9 VIP, you can get those as well.
The option to get tokens from buying paragon points isn't intended as a way for you to buy everything right now to get everything right now, though you have that option, but I think that would be crazy for someone to do since none of these things are really required at all in the game, just make it nicer. Its intended so as the premium players buy paragon points to purchase content, boosters, and such, they make progress in here, since they don't get 1 a month from the VIP subscription.
Its a nice way of saying 'thanks for supporting the game'. As VIP, you already are with your subscription, and likely getting these tokens faster, unless you just spend a TON at the paragon store, and in reality if you're buying more than $15 worth of things in the store a month to unlock stuff, why aren't you just spending that $15 on a VIP membership. But thats another issue.
This seems to state that any VIP will get all the costume bits & vip stuff for free and not have to spend any tokens for them
"Tier 9 VIP offers new exclusive costumes, powers, and other exciting in-game rewards. These Tier 9 VIP rewards will be refreshed every 3 to 4 months and are available for free for Tier 9 VIP players. Players must have an active VIP subscription in order to claim Tier 9 VIP rewards." -
Quote:Originally Posted by StratoNexus
How do these rewards work across multiple characters on the same account? Vet rewards generally applied globally, so a costume unlock would be global. I assume the costume unlocks in the Paragon Rewards program are also global. Respecs earned with Vet Rewards applied to every character, therefore each time you gained a respec, it was across every character, even ones to be made in the future. If we purchase a respec with a Paragon Reward token, are we getting one respec to use across our entire account or do we get one respec per character, even for characters we have not yet made? What about Enhancement boosters or Unslotters? What about the fancy inspires?
When we achieve Tier 6, do we get 5 Enhancement Unslotters on every character, including ones we make after we gain that reward or do we just get 5 to use across all our characters?
This is an excellent question. Are these repeatable purchases (say 5 unslotters) only 5 globally and going to be redeemed with the new e-mail voucher/certification things and be 1 set of 5 for till the 5 are gone or 1 set of 5 for every single character you have, like current vet rewards are?
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Quote:I think, now that I've read more on the page, that When you hit tier 9 you get to spend your points on ANY of the tier 9 stuff including VIP, assuming you have a paid subscription, which makes you a VIP.Originally Posted by Oliin
Personally I'm sincerely hoping that since the normal tier 9 rewards are all repeatable (I imagine that's what the green arrows circling those slots means anyway in the picture) that as long as you're a VIP customer and have the tier 9 slots open, then you can 'buy' those costume rewards.
I wouldn't really put any money on that or anything, but I'm hopeful at least.
So say you have 36 tokens when this goes live, putting you 2 tokens into tier 9 and you're a VIP. You could spend them on the consumables or 2 of the 3 costume parts. Better then how I first read it assuming you don't want the consumables right away, but not fantastic.
I think all vets who have been here from the very start should be unlocking everything at least once (for consumables) when this goes live and then be able to spend their points that they start accruing on the consumables.
EDIT: This seems to state that any VIP will get all the costume bits & vip stuff for free and not have to spend any tokens for them
"Tier 9 VIP offers new exclusive costumes, powers, and other exciting in-game rewards. These Tier 9 VIP rewards will be refreshed every 3 to 4 months and are available for free for Tier 9 VIP players. Players must have an active VIP subscription in order to claim Tier 9 VIP rewards." -
Quote:So basically not a single current vet will be unlocking tier 9 costumes without paying real cash or waiting half a year.Originally Posted by Zombie Man
First, ignore Von Krieger's and Steelclaw's faulty math. ( )
Yes, will have 17.5 points.
Look at the picture with the boxes. You buy one box per point. You don't advance to the next tier until you buy all the boxes in that tier. It take 13 points to buy all the boxes in Tier 5 and lower.
Then you can buy 4 of the 6 Rewards in in Tier 6.
Then, if you're subscribed, you get one more point per month to continue climbing the reward tree. You'll fill out Tier 8 with 14 more Tokens (which is only 13 months because of the yearly Token). After that, you'll be able to spend future Tokens on Tier 9 consumable or Tier 9 VIP items.
An 87 month vet will have 36 tokens which only unlocks 2 of the 5 in tier 9, they will have 3 months to go to get the other 3 and then 3 more months to get to the costumes. Or they can spend 90 bucks to unlock them, far far more money then any super booster every cost, or even the combined game boxes cost.
I seriously hope we get to choose what order we unlock stuff in each tier.
I am not happy with having to spend 90 bucks or waiting half a year to get new costume stuff. It better not be half ***** like the Ascension costume parts/steampunk booster costume parts/animal pack parts is/are. -
Quote:You can see a new power right on the list. Remote Vault access.Originally Posted by Photonstorm
I think in that case it will be powers like Ninja Run, Nemesis staff, Remote Auction House, and the like, and not actual powersets.
I think most if not all new Powersets (like Time Manipulation) will be free for VIP. And most probably buyable at the Paragon Store for Free and Premium players.
Now I'm really surprised that they're still gating content with this new system and that they didn't just assign a specific number of tokens to the various powers/costumes/etc on the tree and just let you pick and choose what you want without having to buy open a whole tree level.
3 tokens for remote market access
1 token for kilts & shorts costume bits
2 tokens for assemble the team
1 token for 3 respecs
1 token for 5 costume tokens
etc etc etc....prices of course would be set as to the "worth" of the power/thing and existing vets would have all that unlocked already if they currently have it. -
Quote:Right! We'll see fix the Reward Token threads insteadOriginally Posted by Bubbawheat
Wow, now maybe we'll stop seeing a "fix the vet rewards" thread in the S&I forum every few weeks.
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Quote:well if 1200 pp cost 15 bucks and that gives you 1 reward token then you'd need to spend, assuming you had zero, $540.00 usd to buy 35 tokens and hit tier 9.Originally Posted by Hidden Hero
My parents aren't going to be happy with me if I spend too much. Wish we had a page that showed an approximate price.
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Quote:5 years = 25. 1/3months + 1/yearOriginally Posted by Necrotech_Master
all of this definitely sounds a LOT better than the current vet system
im guessing as a 5 year vet i should have around 15-20 of the rewards points when this is released
2 years = 24 months / 3 + 1/year = 10Quote:Originally Posted by Hidden Hero
What would a 2 year vet have? My head is wonky in calculating that stuff.