Deuce_Spade

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I don't. I just find the irony and/or stupidity of complaining that a part of the game is no longer worth running, because it was ruthlessly and repeatedly exploited over months until the devs made it so it would not be, to be just... beyond the pale.

I have run Katie Hannon's TF once. For the experience, and I do not mean the xp (though they were nice). We did not use trickery to speed through it; this was before you lot figured out how to drain out all the fun and turn it into a grinding mill.

If Katie is broken and not worth doing now, guess what: YOU BROKE IT. Just like (I believe) you may break the MA, and possibly other parts of the game too.

When the Devs set up a fence, some people immediately start trying to figure out ways to climb over it, or dig under it, or go around it, or smash it down with a monster truck. Some people, however, respect the fence and take it not as a challenge but as a sign that they don't want us going there, period. Amazing!

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You should gather a group of equally righteous players and stone those TF running, AE farming gits in the town square until they understand how they have wronged you.

Definitely.

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Tell me, chumley... what makes your fun more important than mine? If what you do frustrates me and causes me to want to pull my hair out, why should I just sit and blindly let you continue to do it?

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This distills the essence of the farm whinefest magnificently. "I don't like it, so why should you be able to do it?"

Because it's a MMO. You have to allow for others playing the game, sometimes in ways that are not your first choice. How do people not see this?

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I'm always amazed how, every time anyone complains about anything, the most common response is "S-T-F-U ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL PROBLEM, NEWB!"

Regardless of how politely the person placing the complaint frames their issue, or how well-defended their argument, a horde of people (who are usually in favor of whatever is complained about) marginalizes everything with "if you don't like it leave" or "ignore it and shut up" or some other non-response that ignores the issues being brought up.

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And it leaves me stunned that people refuse to acknowledge the smart, concise arguments in favor of the system as-is, instead spending effort to portray everyone on the other side of the issue as a drooling, insensitive moron.

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Yeah, its a personal problem. Its just a game. But you know what? If we were sitting across a table "just playing a game" and you guys acted in the idiotic manner the farmers act, I'd toss your [censored] out of my house. Because "just a game" isn't a reason to piss all over other people.

Just my three drachmas. Your mileage obviously varies.

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A couple of things render your emotional observations invalid, in terms of debate:

1. This is not *your* house, so you have no inherent right to dictate terms the game are played by. When the devs say "no more farming, period", then you'll have a leg to stand on, and we'll have to see what happens to the subscriber base when they're told they can't pursue an activity they like.

2. I've still not seen anyone post any arguments that hold water in favor of banning farming. It all seems to boil down to "I don't like it", "I can't get a team" or "Broadcast is filled with spam".

I won't repeat my refutations from previous threads here, but this stuff is beyond tired. I've cancelled both my accounts, frankly because I have no desire to play in City of Whiners anymore.