CriticalKat

Being you seem to get off on publicly challenging me here are your answers.

1. We volunteer to be PvPEC reps. There is no voting. There also is no long line of people waiting to volunteer.

2. Your applications were ignored by me. If I felt for one minute that either one of you were sincere in wanting to run events for the community and would follow the PvPEC rules which includes not causing drama, not trolling people, adhering to the EULA and respecting all other players including other PvPEC reps and including me you wouldn't have been ignored.

3. When both of your volunteered once, not several times as you claimed was the day after being banned by me from PvPEC events at all. As someone pointed out on that thread in question that sorta disqualifies you from participating in the PvPEC now doesn't it?

4. I let you back in to participating on your word that the drama was over and past history was squashed. However from day one your posts have been challenging me and at points totally disrespecting me to say the least. Your tells to me in game have been rude, demanding and simply being a ******** for no reason. Also do not think for one minute the other PvPEC reps that you have threatened, verbally assaulted and have treated badly has went unnoticed either.

5. If it wasn't for your team members who are just here to have fun I would probably put myself out of my own misery and just ban you again. I am trying to be the bigger person here though but to be blunt you are a dikk hairs length away from riding my very last nerve. I know you don't care so keep being passive aggressive and it will be what it is.

6. I decide who joins the PvPEC. I also decide how I am going to run the events that I volunteer my time to run. Don't like it then keep it moving to events that you do like how they are ran, or since you are so community oriented, run some yourself with your rules your way.

7. I don't plan on banning you simply because you are rude or nasty to me. However I will put you and your 234234 accounts on ignore and then when you need to ask me a question that are legitimate you will get no response. It will also mean you get no vote as a Captain on issues. So your choice how you handle this from now on big boy.

There are dozens of questions and posts I should probably respond to but ya no what, I refuse. I refuse to continue to debate the same ole BS every day. I do not volunteer my time to deal with drama. I didn't create the league or any other pvp event to cater to people who's only reason for participating is to win, regardless of what you have to do or say to make it happen. Bad sportsmanship is a pet peeve of mine that I don't cater to, period.

If you are in 32423423 place and feel like you should be in 1st and you are not happy and enjoying yourself in participating GTFO. It really is that simple at this point.

Every single team that feels like they were jipped out of points has absolutely NO ONE to blame but themselves. Yes I will admit my initial point system was not the best it could be regardless of my good intentions of simply trying to solve the problem of tie playing teams. However that point system was in black and white and you agreed to it when you joined. Not only that but PerilX quoted the flawed point system out before one single match occurred right here in this thread and not one single Captain made a motion to change it. It wasn't important enough to warrant a change until it was your team that was affected by the ties.

Also to be quite blunt (and this doesn't apply to everyone that has ties now) but when you bring a "safe" lineup that includes 2-3 healers or tanks in a freaking THREE VS. THREE the last thing you should expect anyone to feel is sorrow for you for getting a tie. Perhaps you weren't trying to get a tie but you damn sure knew your lineup was increasing the chances of it happening and you chose to bring it anyways so deal with it.

Now on to the voting issue. First of all enough votes are in on the motion to take ties out of the game. The answer is no. With that being said below is a short list of topics that votes are not allowed on any more. I wanted to be reasonable and not come across as a tyrant and allow Captains some voice in the event but too many personal agenda's that are not for the better of the entire league and only about their own teams winning are shining through.

No more vote motions accepted on the following changes.

• CHANGING THE POINT SYSTEM
• LIMITING AT'S OR BUILD TYPES
• LIMITING MAPS
• TIES
• SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS TO RULES FOR INDIVIDUALS
• ANYTHING BEING RETROACTIVE. (UNLESS OF COURSE ITS IN REGARDS TO ALL OF YOU BEING MY PERSONAL CYBORZ SLAVES, THEN OF COURSE ITS RETROACTIVE.)

Now I am going to make one more rule. No more motions for votes on any topic unless you have a minimum of 2 other Captains in favor of supporting it. That means those 2 other Captains and you must send me a p.m. with the same motion proposal. Other wise don't waste my time or the other people in the leagues time who are just here to have fun with vote issues that have no support.

P.S. I really don't want to hear about "everyone" on vent agreed to this issue or that issue. People apparently feel making others think they agree with them is more important than keeping it real because every single vote that supposedly had certain people supporting it, didn't. Just because they are your friends on vent and nod their head when you are raging doesn't mean they ACTUALLY agree with you. Reality check.

Yet another vote p.m.'d to captains.

At least he picked an excellent time to do it, right when League matches are going on.

Dear Mod8,

I have been demoted. Please remove me from our private forums. OZ is the new leader of teh PvPEC, so give him access and his personal dummy hat. Kkthxbye

Rather than go through a Captains vote I decided to go ahead and change a rule that several have asked about. The wording is very specific and not following the rules exactly as written can run you in to a risk of a forfeit. Normally a rule doesn't go in to effect until next fight week to keep it fair across the boards but I see no way this could hinder or penalize any team so it is in effect immediately.

Well there actually is not an odd number of teams. Teams do not get removed for just rage quitting on the forums. "IF" OZ's team doesn't show up Saturday night then I will personally verify with them that they have quit. As the rules state.

Once they don't show up Saturday every team will get bye points as it becomes their week to fight the missing team. If at the end of the season I need to adjust those numbers based on whatever teams have came or went to make it fair then I will, and will explain what and how I did it.

Again can we stop with the drama and smack talking? Or at least take that **** some where else?

Anyways can we by chance keep the drama down? Would be much appreciated. I get yelled at for drama like this and I really don't feel like getting yelled at this week.

:-(

First of all this is not how you ask for a vote. Second of all stop trying to make this about you and me and our past issues. That **** was supposed to be squashed. No you can not get votes to be an exception to rules. (what you asked for the last vote for) and no you do not get to vote on changing how I choose to run the league. Requiring people to publicly vote is not fair and I don't give a damn who tells you they think its a cool idea.

That would be a no. People have the right to vote in private. Based on statements on this thread there is atleast 1 Captain telling others they voted differently than they did. That tells me that apparently peer pressure is a problem. I will however never include 2 votes in one p.m. again which might make it easier to understand, hopefully.

Allowing Captain votes and request for rule changes is common in all high end leagues and ladders. In fact I have never been in one that didn't allow it. The thing is that people need to really think out things before they ask for votes to be taken and before they vote.

All of those people did not vote to not limit healers. Apparently if they are telling you they did then maybe they don't want you to know or maybe they are feeling bullied and pressured by the people that do not agree.

3 Captains voted to not limit healers. 5 Captains voted to limit them. The only way that rule is getting changed is if one of those 5 Captains changes their mind.

Ok lets clarify a few things.

• When a vote passes that is the vote unless one of those Captains change their mind in the next day or so that vote will remain. I will not be allowing the second voting to be wasted on a rewording to cancel out the first vote. If Captains didn't feel like they were making the decisions they wanted to make they would contact me. I am not going to waste my time re-voting votes that already passed.

• Allowing Captains to make motions for rule changes was not put in the rules to create drama. It was put there for the purpose of fixing problems. Going on and on about why you don't agree with the votes is retarded. Even a horrible pvp'r like me knows a dozen lineups to bring to wreck 1 healer teams. Adapt and have fun doing it.

• The fact that AT's even need to be considered being limited is ridiculous. People should be playing and having fun and not using "safe" or "FOTM" lineups. However people do and will and its all equally Lame. Some Captains feel like some lineups are impossible to counter and want some changes. Apparently the MAJORITY think it is necessary and whether they have thought out the repercussions or not is irrelevant.

• The end result is that EVERY team has the ability to play various lineups. With only 1 healer the only thing that should change is the kill counts going up in matches. The end result should still be that the BEST team won the match. Teams will start bringing colds or Tk's etc. Both teams "CAN" do it and if both do it then its just all about who does it better.

• Discussing things is fine. Lets keep it productive and moving forward. Trying to alienate other teams because they are "outsiders" is ridiculous. The only team that isn't from Champion is dUmb and being they are complaining about the 1 healer rule going in to effect on the thread it makes no sense to blame them. Realize the teams from other servers could pl any build they want in a matter of days and be ready for the fight night with accolades and build done. That has been the way of hardcore pvp forever, this league is no different.

• At this point both the stalker and healer rules are staying in place. As the season progresses and teams actually do matches under this rule and find that its not working out then if a Captain who voted in favor of it changes their mind I will allow a re-vote, or a reworking of the rule.

P.S. Captains should be talking to their teams and to other team Captains to gauge support of rule changes before p.m'n me and asking me for a rule change. Just up and deciding "hey this rule idea sounds cool to me" without talking to other Captains is just going to have me calling for votes that are not going to pass. Me wasting my time I volunteer makes for a grumpy Kat.

I may be overly tired and having a blond moment, not sure what you are asking. There was a vote with 2 different wordings of the same type of rule change. This is the version that was voted in. There is no previous vote, its the same vote, just a Captain changed their vote. Just as a Captain changed their vote on the stalker vote.

and on that note...next weeks fight schedule is posted. GLHF guise.

Ok another team Captain changed their vote.

Stalker limit of 2. Op edited.

And another vote came in to limit healers.

Limit of 1 healer in 3v3's and less and 2 healers in 4v4's and more.
(Healers are defined as empathy, thermal and Pain sets.)

We don't need to take a re-vote. I stated initially that if any Captains would like to change their votes then send me a p.m. No one has. You changing your vote creates a tie of 4v4 which would still not change the outcome . That is the same outcome of the limiting healers vote.

The reason I keep votes in private p.m.s isn't so much about organization as it is to attempt to keep drama down. Especially from opinionated people who are not even participating in the League. I assume each Captain will let their team know what is going on or get their opinions so really no need to drown the thread is long winded discussions that are pointless when ultimately the decisions are up to only 8 people voting.

Each voting result has been posted as a new post in the thread. I realize no one wants to read all the mumbo jumbo in this thread but it is a necessary evil to be able to have a clue what the rules are.

All but the last vote resulted in rule changes. The last vote was to limit healers to 1 per match or 2 for matches larger than 3v3.

Ok voting results are in. The 1st voting proposal is a no. The second one is tied with 4v4. So guys best thing to do is adapt. If you don't have enough buffers to combat 2-3 healers then bring some colds, or 2 tk'rs or broken cagers or ....hell I dunno.

I know there are some of you who want to push the limiting buffer issue. There will only be 1 more vote allowed on this issue so if you want to push the issue I would be careful of your wording and actually take the time to see if you have any support from other Captains.