BlueBattler

[ QUOTE ]
Let's say that you're hiking and you stumble across someone who's dangling over a cliff. You try to help pull the guy up, but you lose your grip and he falls to his death. Should you do jail time for that?

Depends, did you push him first?

[/ QUOTE ]

To make it on par with what Frostfire did ...

You come across a guy who looks to be about to be run over by a truck. You leap forward to push him out of the way, but accidentally knock him over the cliff. He manages to get a handhold, but while trying to pull him up you lose your grip and he falls to his death.

Should you do jail time for that?

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I think I've got it:

Frostfire actually has reformed and is working with Flux and the PPD, providing an early test of the young heroes ability against an Elite Boss class foe.

Which explains why he never actually goes to jail. :-)

[/ QUOTE ]

If only.

I still maintain that Antonio Nash is the real jerkass here. He's supposed to be "the man that got out of gangs and helps young people get out of them" but could seriously give less of a [censored] about Frostfire (who could be a real asset to heroes if he didn't feel betrayed.)

[/ QUOTE ]


How old is Antonio Nash supposed to be? Frostfire could have been before his time.

Actually, I'm kind of getting a sort of Xavier/Magneto vibe from Nash/Frostfire now ... if they ever do new arcs for COH, that could be something they could play up ...

[ QUOTE ]
Ok. Why are we saying he got a "harsh" sentence?

[ QUOTE ]
Calhoun surrendered himself to the authorities. Although the District Attorney’s Office offered a deal for 5 years of jail time acknowledging his pure motives, Calhoun refused, believing wrongly that the jury would find him innocent. He was stunned by his conviction. Still, the judge was extremely lenient in his instructions, and a relatively light sentence was handed down as Calhoun’s heart was judged to be in the right place.



[/ QUOTE ]

They're not specific with what they slapped him with, but I'm guessing it was under 10 years. If he behaved well and learned to use his powers under their supervision and repeatedly expressed a desire to join the forces of good in defending the city, I'm guessing he could have been out in less than 5 years, easy.

That's not "harsh." Well, at least according to the story. According to the story, he got a "very lenient" sentence.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think that 5 years of jail time for an accident is pretty harsh myself.

Maybe it's just the way I'm looking at this situation, but I think that at most he should have gotten supervised probation until he turned 21. Possibly the probation could have been supervised by the Regulators or the Freedom Phalanx.


Here's an analogy that popped into my head:

Let's say that you're hiking and you stumble across someone who's dangling over a cliff. You try to help pull the guy up, but you lose your grip and he falls to his death. Should you do jail time for that?

It was tragic that innocent people died, and certainly Frostfire shouldn't have gotten off scott free, but I think that imprisonment didn't fit the crime.

Given the amount of area effect powers that our characters have, it's a wonder that more of us aren't in Frostfire's shoes in terms of accidentally destroying property and killing civillians.
(Yes, I know it's game mechanics, but plotwise if it could happen to Frosty it could happen to us ... it just won't.)


And that's what makes me think that he was given a raw deal: it was an accident. He wasn't out "on patrol". He witnessed a crime and tried to stop it. It wasn't the act of stopping the crime that got him into trouble-- it was the attempt free the convenience store clerk from the block of ice.

He was in a situation that's essentially the same as what our heroes go through every day: he saw a crime and he tried to help.

Who knows? If things hadn't gone awry, Frosty could have been standing in Steel Canyon instead of Posi right now ...

[ QUOTE ]
He was acting as an actual vigilante.

Heroes in Paragon are supposed to register their powers and operate with governmental oversight. He didn't do so and reaped the consequences.

[/ QUOTE ]

So you're saying your hero would have just let the robbery take place if he hadn't gotten his license yet?

In another thread I saw a post by Shyster that led to this bio of Frostfire .

After reading it, I'm not so sure that Frostfire didn't get railroaded a bit.

Frosty was acting in a Good Samaritan manner and things went kablooey on him ... and he was going to get jail time for that? Is that kosher?