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Unfortunate about the death of villan pvp though.

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lol villains
lol pvp

Anyway, let's see, checklist for awesomeness... Elec/Storm on Corr's? Check. Cold/Ice on Def's? COLD/ICE ON DEFENDERS? HOORAY (artificial substitute for) LIFE!!!

*Ahem.* What were we talking about again?

Oh, right.

lol villains
lol pvp


Edit: Actually, it's not all good news, I suppose. What I really want, deep in my heart, is an Ice Sword Scrapper. Costume piece, power set, I don't care, I just want it.

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Although I'm not too fond of the non-DB or non-BS weapon set, THAT would be cool.

EDIT: rotfl, just noticed the unintentional joke I just made.

get it. ice sword, cool.

its funny damnit!

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As they've already said, this is only the beginning of PP.

Personally, I think there a lot of new, fun options for both sides with this initial offering. Heck, the first two toons I roll will probably be an Axe/Willpower Brute and a Ninja/Storm Mastermind. But then, I play the game to have fun...not to achieve uber pwnage in the arena.

I enjoy reading these forums because of the amount of valuable game knowledge to be found, but the amount of whining sometimes is borderline obscene.

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Yeah I've calmed down.

This gives us more stuff to play with in pve.

Unfortunate about the death of villan pvp though.

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Pffft Empathy makes no RP sense for Mastminds...I mean why would a group or Thugs hang around with a leader who makes them feel likes gods because their bullet wounds magically heal while they fight.

Also after reading the article "ControllerL"...hehehe. It's like I wrote the list.

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Great start I think I can't wait for my poison Controllers and empath Masterminds in some unspecified amount of time later on.

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LOL RP. And elec/elec aoe-centric Assassins make sense?

Eventually everything will come out. You are right. This alone placates me.

Now I await VEATs.

Now the test pvpers on the other hand . .. lol

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I don't know bout y'all but wrapping my head around Plant/Therm Controllers, may just inspire me to try out those blasted Heroes...

Course I've tested the Corruptors new set and still think Red side for life!

I am, what I am!

Ex

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I'm be more impressed by Illusion/Therm and cold defnders.

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Constructively though - I don't think this is the end of power proliferation. BaB stated that others were possible but would require more dev time to port. That probably means that more stuff is in the works, but this is all the "easy to get out" stuff. Honestly, if one plans to leave the game because of the initial offering, your probably throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

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reasonably very true.

unfortunatly I can see how the pvpers would definetly NOT want to wait for th 3-6 months it might take to get the next round while heroes run around with thermal+empathy+cold domination.

They will probably be back in the future though when the rest of pp (lol, pp) comes through.

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I don't think we should be mad at the devs for these changes. *cough cough* Producer of CoH is the one we should be complaining too!

/e runs away

Interesting to see even Pve'ers think its unfair(pvpwise) that heroes get cold and thermal.

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you'd have to be one of the most disingenious people ever to not question it even a little bit. LOL.

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Lets just hope the "Come back tomorrow" isn't like the trademarked "Soon"

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What would be an "epic rick roll" would be if something like this happened tomorrow:

*logs onto the site tomorrow*
*reads that Dr. Brainstorm has been apprehended by Longbow and all his documents have been confiscated*
*reads that there is a Reculuse-imposed media black out in the Rogue Isles*

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That was awesome.

That's NcSoft's version of a Rick-Roll.

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LMAO.

Was thinking the same thing.

But WOOT! Complete list tomorrow.

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I find it funny that most of you are guessing that Heroes will get Ninjitsu, Psi, Plant and then when it comes to Villains we don't get Emp, or Storm or even Ice for our Brutes. Is it going to be another kick in the goodies for villains?? We will wait and see....

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Have you read the thread? /storm already has been confirmed for redside.

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I forgot Dark too. Still betting Thermal tho.

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Actually posion would fit even more perfectly than thermal. Especiall with Plant/ LOL.

Also add in the fact that controllers already have a set that gives similar buffs to thermal

ding ding ding.... /EMPATHY.
I'm thiking they'll be looking to give controllers another DE-BUFF set like /storm, such as /dark or /poison or /traps.

EDIT: Also Dark Miasma is asked for WAAAAAY more than thermal for controllers.

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Time will tell. Either way, whether it's Thermal or not. It's win for Trollers imo.

More options is all that really matters.

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TRUTH. Honestly as a controller lover I'd be happy with ANY of those LOL.

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I just REALLY REALLY want a Fire/Fire/Fire troller.

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Understandable. Probably as much as I want /emapthy in some way villanside. LOL

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I have a feeling that Stalkers are gonna get a big hairy shaft...

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I'm actually scratching my head as to what Stalkers could get.



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As I said, a big hairy shaft.

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Broadsword stalkers???

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O_O I think my dream just came true... SCRAPPERS MIGHT GET ENERGY MELEE!! WOOOOOOOO!!

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Didn't even think of that one.

Though I doubt it for this first initial proliferation.

My god the screaming from villans if/when that does happen.

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I have a feeling that Stalkers are gonna get a big hairy shaft...

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I'm actually scratching my head as to what Stalkers could get.

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So, was I reading it right that each AT will get one primary and secondary power from its corresponding AT? If so that's awesome!

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Every AT gains at least 1 powerset -- Masterminds only get a Secondary, no new Primary. Brutes get 2 new Primaries, and 1 secondary. Everyone else gets 1 Primary and 1 Secondary.

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Primary Secondary
Blasters Psi Blast ?
Controllers Plant Control ?
Defenders ? ?
Scrappers ? ?
Tankers ? ?

Brutes Axe, War Mace ?
Corruptors ? Storm Summoning
Dominators ? ?
Masterminds none ?
Stalkers ? ?</pre><hr />
Can we please get those question marks filled in, for the 75% of the slots that don't have anything to go on yet?

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Sorry, you'll have to wait for the follow up article that will expand on the Powerset Proliferation feature.

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tease

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I forgot Dark too. Still betting Thermal tho.

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Actually posion would fit even more perfectly than thermal. Especiall with Plant/ LOL.

Also add in the fact that controllers already have a set that gives similar buffs to thermal

ding ding ding.... /EMPATHY.
I'm thiking they'll be looking to give controllers another DE-BUFF set like /storm, such as /dark or /poison or /traps.

EDIT: Also Dark Miasma is asked for WAAAAAY more than thermal for controllers.

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Time will tell. Either way, whether it's Thermal or not. It's win for Trollers imo.

More options is all that really matters.

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TRUTH. Honestly as a controller lover I'd be happy with ANY of those LOL.

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Ya know they probably could do Illusion Control primary as a modified Mastermind primary. Phantom Army as the first 3 pets, Phantasm as the final. And some type of buff/support phantom for the middle. Maybe spectral terror model but different powers. Could just leave in spectral wounds as the attack. Drop a couple of the holds for the upgrade powers... Maybe even keep Sup Invis for the player and only have 2 attacks instead of 3. Really just grab one or two of the Psy blast attacks and modify the pets, and the thing would work out beautifully.

At least the models and animations are mostly done. Have to be some power rework as they copy the pets and make PA allowed to be damaged and healed.... but at least it'd be possible.

Maybe something for the next round of proliferation?

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Except that phantom army is not perma. It fades away after a while.

MM pets are persistent unless killed.

Also NOTHING can kill phantom army short of hamidon.

Not so for mm pets.

EDIT: Bah missed the part where you mentioned the adjustments.

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My guesses:

Blaster - psychic blast (confirmed) and modified Psychic Assault
Brute - axe/mace (confirmed) and Regen
Defender - fire blast and traps
Dominator - earth control and a new stony assault
Controller - plant control (confirmed) and dark miasma
Corruptor - elec blast and storm summoning (confirmed)
MM - no primary (confirmed) and radiation emission
Scrapper - superstrength and ninjitsu
Stalker - broadsword and invuln
Tanker - elec melee and elec armor

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ooooh. didn't even think of rad emission for MMs. Makes sense with the way they have /dark and the other one (I forget if its traps or posion)

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I forgot Dark too. Still betting Thermal tho.

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Actually posion would fit even more perfectly than thermal. Especiall with Plant/ LOL.

Also add in the fact that controllers already have a set that gives similar buffs to thermal

ding ding ding.... /EMPATHY.
I'm thiking they'll be looking to give controllers another DE-BUFF set like /storm, such as /dark or /poison or /traps.

EDIT: Also Dark Miasma is asked for WAAAAAY more than thermal for controllers.

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I think your reading my message wrong, Blaze_Aura.

Ice Control and Storm Summoning fit well together theme wise (Don't think I wouldn't mind a Ice Control/Cold Domination theme tho...not saying that).

However...Fire Control/ for the Trollers lacks a nicely matching Secondary. Thermal Radiation fixes that.

Seeing as how we know Trollers are getting a new Primary and Secondary. And seeing as how it's being ported over and not a newly created one, that leaves two options...

Thermal Radiation and Cold Domination.

Now, if I was going to bet on which one, I'd bet on Thermal for theme reasons.

However...I guess Traps or Poison too. Can't believe I forgot those two sets. :P That opens it up more.

Still betting Thermal Tho.

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See I clearly see an Ice Control/Cold being possible also. Keeps the CONTROL/BUFF-DEBUFF setup for contollers just as perfectly as FIRE/THERMAL and it fits just as well thematically.

The corrupter I think got /storm cause defenders have storm as a PRIMARY.

I'm thinking they are going by what is more closely linked.

And defenders (buffs-debuffs primary/blast secondary) being closely linked to corrupters (blast primary/buffs-debuffs secondary).

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Again, I dont' think they are doing these INTIAL ones by matching.

And you forget that the controllers get ICE control primary. So cold is just as likely as thermal.

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I didn't forget. However, Cold/Storm isn't a bad fit themetically. Fire/ lacks it more imo.

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Huh???

Cold Domination is a /secondary
Storm is a /secondary
Thermal is a /secondary

Ice and Fire are prmaries for controllers.

HOWEVER, Storm/ is a primary for defenders. Seeing as how corrupters are reverse defenders and controllers and dominators are more linked, I still say Ice/Cold controllers are just as likely as Fire/Thermal controllers.

In other words you can't have a cold/storm corrupter since cold (and now storm) are secondaries for corrupters. And storm was a SECONDARY for controllers.

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Furthermore: Controllers and Dom's BOTH get Ice CONTROL as a primary. Corrupters get ICE Blast. Hence the lovely Ice/Cold corrupter build.

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Again, I dont' think they are doing these INTIAL ones by matching.

And you forget that the controllers get ICE control primary. So cold is just as likely as thermal.

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I didn't forget. However, Cold/Storm isn't a bad fit themetically. Fire/ lacks it more imo.

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Huh???

Cold Domination is a /secondary
Storm is a /secondary
Thermal is a /secondary

Ice and Fire are prmaries for controllers.

HOWEVER, Storm/ is a primary for defenders. Seeing as how corrupters are reverse defenders and controllers and dominators are more linked, I still say Ice/Cold controllers are just as likely as Fire/Thermal controllers.

In other words you can't have a cold/storm corrupter since cold (and now storm) are secondaries for corrupters. And storm was a SECONDARY for controllers.

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Yeah I don't think these initial (most likely more will come in future issues) proliferations are taking matching into account at all.

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I wouldn't say that. I bet theme will be as much a part as anything.

Except, right now, in game...there is no matching buff/debuff set to go with Plant Controll. THO...I think Empathy works really well with the Mother Earth type.

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Yeah, if that's the case then cold domination is just as likely as thermal.

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Use some guess work...

Brutes...Axe and Mace already mentioned. That leaves 3 sets open on Secondaries (without Ice Melee, will ditch Ice Armor as a choice). Seeing as how they don't have access to a ninja like Primary, I'd ditch Ninjitsu. That leaves SR or Regen (I'd guess SR).

Corrs...Getting Storm. For theme reasons, Electric makes sinse.

Doms...They only lack Illusion and Earth. Really, it's a toss up either way. I think they'll go ILL tho.

MMs...lots of options. Sonic is close to FF in use. But with no matching Primary, I'd guess Kinetics (my bet) or Empathy (gives Villains the Empathy set they want).

Stalkers...I see Ice/Ice myself. But they could go either way on this set.

Trollers...Plant we know. Cold Domination and Thermal Radiation are the only sets they lack as a secondary. Thermal makes more sinse to port over for theme reasons. Thermal is the good bet imo.

Defenders...Ice/Cold Domination. Brings Cold Domination over to Hero side (if Trollers get Thermal Radiation).

**Note...hmmm...yes, saying this, I think MMs with get Empathy now more than Kinetics. Brings Empathy over to Villain side.

Blasters...Psy has already been mentioned. Really, I can't think of anything for their secondary, that wouldn't need to be butchered over alot, to be alot like the secondaries they already have.

Tankers...Dark/Dark is my guess. EA and ELA lack self-heals/regen, things every Tanker says they need to tank. I also just don't see Ninjitsu being made tank. Tho the tanks do have Dual Blades to fit the theme of Ninjitsu.

Scrappers...going with themes...EM/EA, ELM/ELA, or Fire/Fire (I just don't see it being Ice/Ice). My guess...ELM/ELA, just cuz I want my ELM/ELA hero.

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Again, I dont' think they are doing these INTIAL ones by matching.

And you forget that the controllers get ICE control primary. So cold is just as likely as thermal.

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Right but storm isn't really a buff set. Debuffs sure.

I would be annoyed if heros got one of the corrupters BUFF sets and controllers didn't get the main one of there's just saying.

If I had one to pick to keep unique on each side it would be empathy and thermal. If you're not going to port one I'd port the other.

BUT, this is not a make or break issue for me.

/storm corruptors will make me want to finally roll and play a corruptor past lvl 10.

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Well, I did say Debuff/Buff...but yeah, I know Storm is more the Debuff.

However, like I said in this thread. Empathy for the MMs is possible. I'm still guessing Kinetics, but Empathy is a VERY CLOSE second.

For Trollers secondary, they only have 2 options, sinse Trollers have access to every other Debuff/Buff set...Thermal Radiation and Cold Domination.

Seeing as how Fire Controll is the only Primary without a matching Secondary (Radiation being the closest, but still not matching imo), my guess is Thermal Radiation.

I of course could be wrong.

Tho to mention it, with Plant being on Trollers now, I don't see a matching Secondary for it either...maybe Empathy.

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Yeah I don't think these initial (most likely more will come in future issues) proliferations are taking matching into account at all.

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I would be miffed if controllers get thermal but villans dont get empathy.

Just saying.

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Why? The devs didn't say they wouldn't add more later. Also, these are just guesses for what I assume the first 20 are going to be.

Thermal and Cold Domination being the only ones that the Trollers don't have as a secondary, I figure Thermal is the best bet.

Why?

Fire Control is the only set without some sort of corresponding Secondary for Trollers.

Besides that...from my sig, you can see I mainly play hero-side (I like playing the role of hero more), and I can tell you, when I make teams, I don't go...OMG we need an Empath!

They're nice to have yes, but not any more than any other Debuff/Buff class.

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Right but storm isn't really a buff set. Debuffs sure.

I would be annoyed if heros got one of the corrupters BUFF sets and controllers didn't get the main one of there's just saying.

If I had one to pick to keep unique on each side it would be empathy and thermal. If you're not going to port one I'd port the other.

BUT, this is not a make or break issue for me.

/storm corruptors will make me want to finally roll and play a corruptor past lvl 10.