ZadkielSalubri

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you are all n00bs

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*Shudders* Oy how I loathe that word

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So I wonder if someone who was in CoH since before Beta, but he was 10 at the time is still allowed to do the "old man" spiels...

(No, I'm not talking about anyone in particular, just a general random thought)

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Well I do remeber Temp Invulnerabiity being a click power. And I remember think it was pretty much useless.

I remember getting into Perez Park my 4th or 5th day CoH beta, getting my Defeat 10 CoT mission completed. Then heading to the futherest, remoted mission door in Perez. My first cave map had the infamous 4 level cavern. I remeber being totally bewildered during the entire mission because it was an 8 man team.

I remeber leaving the mission and trying to leave the Perez Maze with my Skin intacts. I rememer actually making to the edge of the park with an enterance in sight. And I remember the heart-ache of being Recall Friend'ed by my mentor back into the middle of the Lake surrounded on all side by Hyda. And then dicovering the joy of the Hospital Express.

I remember getting Hover, and loving this game. And I remeber getting real extremely lucky in meeting up with the Altas Blimp. And then disoverying that one can actually land on said Blimp.

I remember Hover Patrolling over KR looking for those CoT green flickers of light at night. I also remeber the heart-ache of find another hero beating me to the spawn.

I have it etech into my memory when I finally got Fly. It was the embodiment of a kids dream of being a super hero. It still being a tear of joy to my eye when I think about it.

I remember my first time into Boom Town and marveling at it in person for the first time. I also remeber being in awe of a level 32 character that was just sitting around in Boomtown.

I remeber loving to play tourist in CoH beta. Just flying around visiting all of the zones that I could get into. I would spend hours just flying around and enjoying the zones. And I still so flying around playing tourists in zones today. I'm still see new things I havent seen before even after 2 1/2 years of play.


I remember seeing Talos Island and Founder Falls from the air, seeing off of the green circles of light, and thinking that the CoT are very brazen in those zones. (They actually were just DE Trees of Life back when they stuck around forever.) And I remember see DE Emanators for the first time. They conned are Lieutenants. All of the new players just standing around staring at them, not daring to get too close to aggro them.

My RL friend and SG mates filled me in on the CoH background. And I marvled at seeing Rikti in FF for the first time. They seems strange, mysteries and ominous specially with that strange gated walk of theirs.

And I remeber the Rikti Invasion to close out the CoH Beta. See a Ritki Mothership appear in the skys in the various zones. Spawns of Hydra appearing in Stell Canyon and all throughout Paragon City.

I remember gathering in Talos Islands preparing for and awaing "IT to begin. The players around the tram just talking and organizing things. I'm just sort of look around, spot something and trying to get everyones attention. "guys"...."Guys!"...."GUYS! HELLLO!!!!! SPACESHIP TO THE NORTH!!!!!!!!! INCOMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Rikti everywhere. Heroes valently fighting against overwhelming odds. Man it felt like being in a one of the big comic publisher world ending epic event. I remeber getting mezz'ed and mezz'ed over and over by one Rikti LT. And I remember being determinded to dropped that one LT if it took me the rest of the night.

We finally cleared the hill to the Noth of the Tram in Talo. And the fleet moving heroes start faning out looking for more Rikti incusions. I remeber getting a bit to lot and getting smack hard by a Tsoo. And then getting a drive by heal by a friendly Defender. (Acutall it was move of a suicidal drop healing as the Defender was a Teleporter and I was 100 ft in the air).

I got lots more but I think I'll stop here....

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*Scratches head* Why my quote though? Were you actually 10 when CoH Beta came out?

Ahem. For those of you who -are- Shadowrun buffs... dear gawd get SR 4th ed... it blows the others out of the water. Just an FYI

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I remember thinking I would have a lot more posts by now...pfft.



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I remember thinking, "Why does anybody even post on the forums when they could be playing?"

--NT

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I've wondered the same thing myself... but it's like crack! Gah! I can't stop posting!

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Your signature, is that from Shadowrun? (now I do feel old)

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Ha!

Yep it sure is... one of my favorite games... (Ohhhh if only they could make an SR MMO that was done right... *droooooooools*) ...and it would so work as an MMO too...

As an aside note, yes you are likely old, or at the very least feel that way... I am fast approaching 30 and find myself finding more and more things that I remember being cool being outdated, or even stranger... brought back in the current retro craze!

Voltron
Speed Racer
He-Man
MEGO dolls (Yes, before the 3.5" action figures, boys did in fact play with dolls)
GI Joe
Thunder Cats
Tiger Sharks
Transformers/Go-Bots
Atari
NES (8 bits of sheer POWER!)

I may not be as old as some here, but I'd wager I'm as old or older than most...

So I wonder if someone who was in CoH since before Beta, but he was 10 at the time is still allowed to do the "old man" spiels...

(No, I'm not talking about anyone in particular, just a general random thought)

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Oh, and in massachusetts they call soda - "tonic". Always got a kick out of that one.

Zeus - god of sody pop

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I lived in the Boston area for a year... the "tonic" thing confused me at first...

When I think of Boston Beverages though... I think of...

Lime Rickys... Tasty... I do miss those...



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I live an hour south of Seattle... don't ask me to list all the things we call our coffee *dies*

Oh I've heard of the term mob before, just never to refer to a single baddy.

I've not heard of people referring to an individual baddy as a "mob"... that's a new one to me

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36 pages? My goodness, we've beat this horse to death. Thankfully the thread growwth has slowed down!

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The horse was dead when the beating started.

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It was only a dead horse to the older forumites

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Not familiar with the power Blizzard, but then again I don't have any characters with Ice powers either. I could see calling Nova a nuke, though

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Bah, if any of them should rightly be called a nuke, it would be this one.

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hehe if it did the amount of damage Inferno or Nova did (Be cool if they made Rad a blaster primary) I'd agree more

But I still see where you're coming from.

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I was simply pointing out it's not the addition of such terms to the vernacular, but rather it's inaccuracy that bothers people.

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People call Blizzard a "nuke", but I don't hear anyone jumping on the glaring technical inaccuracy of calling a snowstorm an atomic explosion, since we all know what the word means locally...

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Run it up the flagpole, see if anyone salutes.

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/em salute

Yes, that would be an example of what I was calling and thinking of as a gamer term for something that is very out of character.

I would take the same offense over someone calling a Shivan a pet, but Kyra brought that one back to the base and... *sigh* at least she cleans up after it.

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Ahhhhh so by gamer, they meant video gamer, not the type of gamer I'm used to (one who plays P&P games like D&D)... my bad.

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I was simply pointing out it's not the addition of such terms to the vernacular, but rather it's inaccuracy that bothers people.

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People call Blizzard a "nuke", but I don't hear anyone jumping on the glaring technical inaccuracy of calling a snowstorm an atomic explosion, since we all know what the word means locally...

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Not familiar with the power Blizzard, but then again I don't have any characters with Ice powers either. I could see calling Nova a nuke, though

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I believe by "gamer terms" Primrose was referring to the colloquial use of "toon". I was simply pointing out it's not the addition of such terms to the vernacular, but rather it's inaccuracy that bothers people.

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Ahh... I gotcha.

Still, I think I'd laugh if I saw something similar to my example.

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Does it make me different from those who freely use gamer terms in game?

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The crux of the matter isn't "using gamer terms" it is using a term which (in one parties eyes) does not properly represent the object it is referring to.

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Gamer terms? What exactly are you referring to?

Bob: "Oh man! Did you see them fly? I love nova, I DECIMATED them!"

Ed: "Hehe yeah they totally failed their Reflex saves"

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Ok, let's schedule an Arena Battle Royale to determine this issue. All those in favor of "Character" vs. all those in favor of "Toon". At least we can then get back to playing the game instead of arguing over why TOON is wrong and Character is right. Geez. That's like arguing over the world being Flat or Round.................................

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Of course that argument is silly... everyone knows the world is shaped like a giant D20!

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Actually a valid projection called the Dymaxion map, or the Fuller projection. If I'm remembering correctly Buckminster Fuller came up with the idea, but needed help with the math. You can check it out here.

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Either I'm really smart, or just a nerd... *dies*

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*not directed at anyone in paticular*

I use the word toon. I like the word toon. Why? Cause I feel it fits with CoH. I use it to differentiate between CoH characters and PnP characters and other MMO characters. It has nothing to do with beig lazy. I just like it. I could not care less what other people use to describe their creations. I like my creations and am proud of them. Even if they are deli products, it leads to some very entertaining RP moments. (Important Rule: No devouring of team members, regardless of how hungry the battle made you)

Ironicly, much of the argument AGAINST useing the word toon just makes me want to use it more. People getting offended at inconsiquential habbits of another is rather funny. Much like the steriotypical old lady getting offended about someone shaveing their head (or doing anything else "not proper").

You can't have moral justification for an amoral act. Attempting to do so is moot. And makes me laugh

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You know, I haven't seen anyone make it a *moral* argument.

Mind you, the fact that knowing people find it annoying makes you want to do it more makes doing it, in your case, at the very least a selfish, disruptive act, and at most a moral one (if you believe being maliciously selfish to be immoral).

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There you have it: If you use the word "toon", you will go to that place that I can't post here because it'll get censored.

Suffice to say it's very hot and you have to watch Hitler and J Edgar Hoover make out while naked.

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Meh, toon is fine, it all means the same. I'll use whatever word I feel like using. /shrug

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Amen. There's so much flat-out snobbery in this thread I keep wondering when Thurston Howell is going to wander in.

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/em chuckles and fights the urge to start a thread titled "My TOON is a H34LZ0R!!!!one!!eleventyone!"

OH the chaos that'd ensue! <insert evil grin here>

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If you need me I'll be behind this adamantium shield.

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This is stolen from the "Slow Turn" thread but I found it rather apropos.


Quoting ZadkielSalubri who is Quoting Ethereal_Savior:

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I see many people who seem to think people who find characters from the SNES era "hot" are losers or stupid. That always gets me because it shows the people criticizing don't understand the very simple notion of a character concept as enticing. They may be "just pixels," but they're accompanied by personality and backstory along with enough visual cues to form your own mental image. When we get down to it, it's the mental concept that captivates the person, not the little dots of color on the screen. And if that's somehow "wrong," prose fiction wouldn't even exist.

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Here here! They're also just from a generation where they can't fathom the concept of video games in anything less than 3D rendered amazing detail. I've had kids complain about the "lame" graphics of PS1 games, for gawd's sake!

Me, I can recall when I first beat Metroid for NES and saw that SAMUS was a woman and rushing to get close to the screen when she took off her armor at the end, to admire those 8 bit curves. Back then, a female leading character in a video game was nigh unheard of!

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You know what occured to me here too? This could be at my root for my feelings about the term "toon" as well. I come from an era when my "toon" was a green box and "->" was a sword. Nothing "cartoony" about any of that.

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I have... crossed threads... woooooo is this what's known as a forum out of body experience?

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CoX is technically designed for a younger crowd. us grown-ups were not the real target market to start with.

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I disagree there. Are kids going to enjoy the game? Sure, but not as much as the audience that I feel it was designed for. Adults who grew up in the 70s, 80s and even early 90s reading superhero comics... back before superheros became so mainstream that your average mother knows who Wolverine is. I'm sure the majority of those people truly "geeked out" when they found out there was a customizable superhero MMO out there.

Bob: So this is City of Heroes... *Showing him his screen* I thought you might think it was cool.

Ed: *Dumb grin plastered across his face* Sweet! Um, I feel like I'm getting ill... eh, I think I have some sick leave accrued... yes, I think I'll be using it all... to Wally World, Robin!

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Ok, let's schedule an Arena Battle Royale to determine this issue. All those in favor of "Character" vs. all those in favor of "Toon". At least we can then get back to playing the game instead of arguing over why TOON is wrong and Character is right. Geez. That's like arguing over the world being Flat or Round.................................

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Of course that argument is silly... everyone knows the world is shaped like a giant D20!

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All kidding aside, it baffles me every time I see someone refer to their character as their "toon"... Maybe it's because I'm a P&P RPGer and not a video gamer, but where in the heck did that originate? I think it sounds pretty silly.

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The first place I heard 'Toon' used was on The Realm many years back, where it was common. Apparently, the 'toon' vs. 'character' thing largely depends on what your introduction to online gaming culture was. There isn't really much of a difference.

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I find most people I've encountered use the word 'toon' because it's simply shorter to type than 'character'. Those lazy people. :P

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Go figure. I'm lazy as all get out in real life, but when it comes to typing I tend to be anal (at least about my own posts) about grammar and spelling.

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Because this is an old topic that like many other old and pointless topics never dies. I've read several threads concearning this topic. For the most part I've stopped reading threads on this topic. The only reason I read anything in this one is because Castle commented on it.

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Just to point out, it may not be an old topic for everyone. I only started getting into posting in these forums just this week, despite having had an account for over a year. It may be rehashing old points or "beating a dead horse" as some put it, but to many like me, it's a fresh topic. It's all relative

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How about we refer to them as "Non gender/sexual orientation/age specific multi-ethnic computer generated pixelated images of superpowered dolls"

No offense intended to any -real- superpowered dolls who may be browsing these forums, of course.

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/em scratches head

I think sticking with the Toon vs Char debate would be less painful.

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Too PC? *L*

How about we refer to them as "Non gender/sexual orientation/age specific multi-ethnic computer generated pixelated images of superpowered dolls"

No offense intended to any -real- superpowered dolls who may be browsing these forums, of course.