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Then again, what was DR's record? Maybe they'll make you guys look good. jk Neo



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Lolz @ self and PVP VG...We had potential, started to look pretty good actually, practices were pretty awesome. Had a great last match against GMW. [censored] happens, but GL to the new DR, I certainly hope they fare better than we did.

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Of course I wanted you to lose, I was routing for Shakedown...then GMW...then, hmmmm, who to root for next...

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Well seriously, I never wanted you to lose b/c I hated you guys really, well...maybe a few of you...but mostly b/c I was lending my accounts to my friends in those other groups. Sorry dude. Besides, it's not like you guys have any love for DR

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Lolz @ self and PVP VG...We had potential, started to look pretty good actually, practices were pretty awesome. Had a great last match against GMW. [censored] happens, but GL to the new DR, I certainly hope they fare better than we did.

~Neo

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O Come on, you hope they fall flat on their face, and choke on the pwn sauce. Although you probably won't say it

[/ QUOTE ]he'll say it behind their back like he did about vori

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Of course I wanted you to lose, I was routing for Shakedown...then GMW...then, hmmmm, who to root for next...

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Well seriously, I never wanted you to lose b/c I hated you guys really, well...maybe a few of you...but mostly b/c I was lending my accounts to my friends in those other groups. Sorry dude. Besides, it's not like you guys have any love for DR

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Lolz @ self and PVP VG...We had potential, started to look pretty good actually, practices were pretty awesome. Had a great last match against GMW. [censored] happens, but GL to the new DR, I certainly hope they fare better than we did.

~Neo

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O Come on, you hope they fall flat on their face, and choke on the pwn sauce. Although you probably won't say it

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Of course I wanted you to lose, I was routing for Shakedown...then GMW...then, hmmmm, who to root for next...

GO RENEGADES!!!

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Well seriously, I never wanted you to lose b/c I hated you guys really, well...maybe a few of you...but mostly b/c I was lending my accounts to my friends in those other groups. Sorry dude. Besides, it's not like you guys have any love for DR

Actually, M3z, I would like to see you get back on top before you leave for AOC. So, GL tomorrow, in all seriousness. It will be a tough fight.

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Then again, what was DR's record? Maybe they'll make you guys look good. jk Neo



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Lolz @ self and PVP VG...We had potential, started to look pretty good actually, practices were pretty awesome. Had a great last match against GMW. [censored] happens, but GL to the new DR, I certainly hope they fare better than we did.

~Neo

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O Come on, you hope they fall flat on their face, and choke on the pwn sauce. Although you probably won't say it

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Lolz @ self and PVP VG...We had potential, started to look pretty good actually, practices were pretty awesome. Had a great last match against GMW. [censored] happens, but GL to the new DR, I certainly hope they fare better than we did.

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Oh, I'm sure they will for a little while, until they get used to high-end PVP, just like we did. But, everyone has to take their licks before they get good. Or in our case, leave before they ever get really good.

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Lolz @ self and PVP VG...We had potential, started to look pretty good actually, practices were pretty awesome. Had a great last match against GMW. [censored] happens, but GL to the new DR, I certainly hope they fare better than we did.

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LONG time = 6 months? Ok.

What's even funnier is that the name actually existed in the first place..I had "Dark Revolution" on Freedom, Liberty and Infinity saved on a level 14 toon hoping that we would expand across servers about 2 yrs ago. I deleted those toons when I finally realized I didn't want the responsibility... guess someone took it over and ran with it. Good for them, though, and welcome to test. I hope they can stick around and stay active in high-end PVP longer than we did.

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I must say, it is just as frustrating to us PVPers (and I lead a HUGE group or PVE and PVP players, so I understand both sides here) to listen you the non-PVP players insist it isn't as bad as we thought and to calm down. For all the immature whining and complaining done in these forums, over the past couple years, it has been significantly balanced between PVE and PVP players alike, so I would first suggest to hold those stones, not throw them.

Second, it IS as bad as we are making it out on the PVP side of the fence, especially for villains. And let me see if I can explain it so you don't jump all over me for just making an opinion and not-backing it up. Corruptors are not easy to take down, but manageable. MMs on the other hand, are almost impossible to kill in the hand of a good player and in a great player...forget about it. Adding /Storm in the MM sets completely kills VvV action, period. Three /Storm MMs on a vill team = 0 kills for either side in an entire match. Stalkers are not viable anymore for burst damage and vills can't spike other vills without stalker damage due to the heavy buffs we have. So, this will result in nothing but storm teams running against storm teams and zero kills. Sounds like fun huh? This is the end of the villain ladder on test and massive amounts of farming live, which in turn gives us the next problem.

As you all know, the villain market is VERY tight and VERY expensive comparatively. It is already almost impossible to get the sets you need, especially purple sets. Herein lies the major problem for villain PVErs...and yes, this does affect you more than you think. Get ready for the market to get even MORE constrictive when all these recipes being dumped on the market from endless amounts of farming goes away on all servers. Now, of course you will still have your day by day farmers, PVErs grinding for prestige, etc dumping stuff on the market, but it's not gonna be even close to what you see now. So, this means, goodbye ultra rares in numbers, goodbye rares, increase those LotG prices, those Miracle prices, etc.

For PVE, I find the villain powers to be just fine, lots of good choices there. But giving blue side access to our two BEST powersets and putting them in the hands of players with access to the APPs and unresistable debuffs, etc. is overkill and 100% puts an end to any thought of villains being able to match heroes in zones, raids, or arena. The zones will be dead and many groups will leave the game. Whether you like them or not, PVPers do contribute to your PVE success and enjoyment subtly and somewhat behind the scenes. I think you would at least be compassionate enough about how we feel that the piece of the game a lot of us enjoy the most is getting shafted and even more imbalanced.

gg PVP, PVE here we come, it's all we got left...

-Neo

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tl;dr

I am with holding my "dev-hate" (if any) after I can test these new powersets and get some concrete foundation of just how sucky or over-powered they may be. To whine now with ultimatium, etc is premature and ignorant.

However, fully discussing the options for each powerset sounds like a good idea.

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You tl;dr 4 paragraphs? That is plain laziness bud, especially after I have given you the "shortened" explanation PVE players have been asking for. And if you're directing the "To whine now with ultimatium" comment at me, I suggest you take back the tl:dr, read what I wrote and tell me where I whined about anything or how I was being ignorant? It is very self-explanatory, but to those that don't PVP I thought I could give you some insight from someone who comes from both sides of the fence...

-Neo

I must say, it is just as frustrating to us PVPers (and I lead a HUGE group or PVE and PVP players, so I understand both sides here) to listen you the non-PVP players insist it isn't as bad as we thought and to calm down. For all the immature whining and complaining done in these forums, over the past couple years, it has been significantly balanced between PVE and PVP players alike, so I would first suggest to hold those stones, not throw them.

Second, it IS as bad as we are making it out on the PVP side of the fence, especially for villains. And let me see if I can explain it so you don't jump all over me for just making an opinion and not-backing it up. Corruptors are not easy to take down, but manageable. MMs on the other hand, are almost impossible to kill in the hand of a good player and in a great player...forget about it. Adding /Storm in the MM sets completely kills VvV action, period. Three /Storm MMs on a vill team = 0 kills for either side in an entire match. Stalkers are not viable anymore for burst damage and vills can't spike other vills without stalker damage due to the heavy buffs we have. So, this will result in nothing but storm teams running against storm teams and zero kills. Sounds like fun huh? This is the end of the villain ladder on test and massive amounts of farming live, which in turn gives us the next problem.

As you all know, the villain market is VERY tight and VERY expensive comparatively. It is already almost impossible to get the sets you need, especially purple sets. Herein lies the major problem for villain PVErs...and yes, this does affect you more than you think. Get ready for the market to get even MORE constrictive when all these recipes being dumped on the market from endless amounts of farming goes away on all servers. Now, of course you will still have your day by day farmers, PVErs grinding for prestige, etc dumping stuff on the market, but it's not gonna be even close to what you see now. So, this means, goodbye ultra rares in numbers, goodbye rares, increase those LotG prices, those Miracle prices, etc.

For PVE, I find the villain powers to be just fine, lots of good choices there. But giving blue side access to our two BEST powersets and putting them in the hands of players with access to the APPs and unresistable debuffs, etc. is overkill and 100% puts an end to any thought of villains being able to match heroes in zones, raids, or arena. The zones will be dead and many groups will leave the game. Whether you like them or not, PVPers do contribute to your PVE success and enjoyment subtly and somewhat behind the scenes. I think you would at least be compassionate enough about how we feel that the piece of the game a lot of us enjoy the most is getting shafted and even more imbalanced.

gg PVP, PVE here we come, it's all we got left...

-Neo

I hate to be so negative, but my entire villain group and coalition (about 80+ players) is going insane after this announcement...

Sorry, but this is flat out retarded....and I love my heroes, so I know where my time will be spent after I12, but damn devs, come on....

-Neo

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Looks like I've got a little stalker....why don't you find a team....oh, wait, everyone can't stand you...

I did leave the game, for almost a month...and figured out a way to at least PVP....what I do is no one's business but mine and as you can see......the old DR boys are all still together...just under a new banner and a much deeper team. You will not see me in game much, but I will be around to PVP, which is all I have cared about for the past year anyway.

Either way, get off my nutsack and get a life dude.

Leaders
@Neo
@Neo.
@Neo-

@Inc
@Harm's Way
@Hurt
@Hurt.
@Nav
@Fosse
@Ruin.
@Roach
@Magmaa1
@Chillynn
@Draven
@Draven01
@Ultima
@Ultima's Revenge
@Ultima Consumed
@Ultima's Alts
@Devilz
@Devilz2
@DarkLogos
@Chrome.
@X Frost
@Krimson Skull
@Fallen Commander
@Droid Rage
@Dead Pain
@Savage Nightmare
@Labatts
@Labatts.
@Mike
@Crackback
@Cr4ckb4ck
@Genna
@Genn
@Gen
@Kat.
@Cat.
@ID2
@Nova Kaine
@Icewing
@Fractal
@Dusk Hammer
@Dusk Hammer2
@Have Some Grapes
@Kyro Frost
@Kyro Extreme

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@Drizzit
@Drizzit2

Leaders
@Neo
@Neo.
@Neo-

@Inc
@Harm's Way
@Hurt
@Hurt.
@Nav
@Fosse
@Ruin.
@Roach
@Magmaa1
@Chillynn
@Draven
@Draven01
@Ultima
@Ultima's Revenge
@Ultima Consumed
@Ultima's Alts
@Devilz
@Devilz2
@DarkLogos
@Chrome.
@X Frost
@Krimson Skull
@Fallen Commander
@Droid Rage
@Dead Pain
@Savage Nightmare
@Labatts
@Labatts.
@Mike
@Crackback
@Cr4ckb4ck
@Genna
@Genn
@Gen
@Kat.
@Cat.
@ID2
@Nova Kaine
@Icewing
@Fractal
@Dusk Hammer
@Dusk Hammer2
@Have Some Grapes

Leaders
@Neo
@Neo.
@Neo-

@Inc
@Harm's Way
@Hurt
@Hurt.
@Nav
@Fosse
@Ruin.
@Roach
@Magmaa1
@Chillynn
@Draven
@Draven01
@Ultima
@Ultima's Revenge
@Ultima Consumed
@Ultima's Alts
@Devilz
@Renamon
@DarkLogos
@Chrome.
@Aballister
@X Frost
@Krimson Skull
@The ds
@Hellfiretress
@Fallen Commander
@Droid Rage
@Dead Pain
@Savage Nightmare
@Labatts
@Labatts.
@Mike
@Crackback
@Cr4ckb4ck
@Genna
@Genn
@Gen
@Kat.
@Cat.
@ID2
@Nova Kaine
@Icewing
@Fractal
@Dusk Hammer
@Dusk Hammer2
@Have Some Grapes

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@Kyro Frost
@Kyro Extreme

Leaders
@Neo
@Neo.
@Neo-

@Inc
@Harm's Way
@Hurt
@Hurt.
@Nav
@Fosse
@Ruin.
@Roach
@Magmaa1
@Chillynn
@Draven
@Draven01
@Ultima
@Ultima's Revenge
@Ultima Consumed
@Ultima's Alts
@Devilz
@Renamon
@DarkLogos
@Chrome.
@Aballister
@X Frost
@Krimson Skull
@The ds
@Hellfiretress
@Fallen Commander
@Droid Rage
@Dead Pain
@Savage Nightmare
@Labatts
@Labatts.
@Mike
@Crackback
@Cr4ckb4ck
@Genna
@Genn
@Gen
@Kat.
@Cat.

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@ID2
@Nova Kaine
@Icewing
@Fractal
@Dusk Hammer
@Dusk Hammer2
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"I have homework to do, But I'm not gonna do it."

they can probably practice every day if they wanted. The only problem is we would like to do it when it's a good time for you guys as well.

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Which is why I asked for Monday's. Shakedown used to be our partners for Monday's but cannot make it that day any longer. We would like to set it up on a permanent basis.

PMs would help get this solidified and plans worked out.

Thanks,

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No, not really, just a wonderful night of DCs during attempts at fights. I asked about 5 of the guys to talk to the leaders about getting practice set up for every Monday, no response yet.

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Yes, we are, thanks.

Leaders
@Neo
@Neo.
@Neo-

@Inc
@Harm's Way
@Hurt
@Hurt.
@Nav
@Fosse
@Ruin.
@Roach
@Magmaa1
@Chillynn
@Draven
@Draven01
@Ultima
@Ultima's Revenge
@Ultima Consumed
@Ultima's Alts
@Devilz
@Renamon
@DarkLogos
@Chrome.
@Aballister
@X Frost
@Krimson Skull
@The ds
@Hellfiretress
@Fallen Commander
@Droid Rage
@Dead Pain
@Savage Nightmare
@Labatts
@Labatts.
@Mike
@Crackback
@Cr4ckb4ck

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@Genna
@Genn
@Gen
@Kat.
@Cat.

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We never said Inc was the brightest crayon in the box.

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@Neo
@Neo.
@Neo-
@Hurt
@Hurt.
@Nav
@Inc
@Harm's Way
@Fosse
@Ruin.
@Roach
@Magmaa1
@Chillynn
@Draven
@Draven01
@Ultima
@Ultima's Revenge
@Ultima Consumed
@Ultima's Alts
@Devilz
@Renamon
@DarkLogos
@Chrome.
@Aballister
@X Frost
@Krimson Skull
@The ds
@Hellfiretress
@Fallen Commander
@Droid Rage
@Dead Pain
@Savage Nightmare
@Labatts
@Labatts.
@Mike
@Crackback
@Cr4ckb4ck

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Can't wait

Awesome, welcome guys