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Except for all the times Cap has gone out and kicked mass amounts of butt w/o the shield. Scrapper all the way.

Shoot, the movie was like one scrapper challenge after another. He was constantly told "You can't do that." He always responded "Watch me." That is the scrapper attitude all the way, for prof go look at the scrapper boards. Cap also attacks with that shield as much or more than he defends with it, again very scrapperish. I would say StJ/Shield all the way.

It is fair to be concerned that Scrappers have nothing that is unique to them. They however are not in any other kind of trouble at all.

No way, Cap is a scrapper through and through.

This thread really went all over the place. The one thing I am sure of at the end is that the AT I love the most, the Scrapper, will most likely not get anything cool and unique.

What I have enjoyed, no matter how heated it has been, is the passion I see for the game. Even after 7 years we care so much for the game and our creations in the game that we fight tooth and nail for them. That is a pretty awesome thing.

I still want my beloved scrapper to get something unique to them, something that they share with no one else. It seems a little unfair that all the other ATs have that, but scrappers don't. It is what it is though. Scrappers are the first to step up in any given situation, I think it is just part of the mentality that goes with playing that AT. After 7 years of playing this game, playing any other AT still pales in comparison to me. I step away for a moment or two, but I always come back to the scrapper.

Very true. I think MoG of the time was their craptastic way of trying to get his berserk rage going... it failed as many things did back then.

We are in the here and now, and what I have seen over the past year has given me new hope for this game.

My suggestion of allowing them inherent Superior conditioning, where their max end increases by X every Y level. Would have little to no impact on game balance. That I can see any way. I would say 5 points of end every 10 levels for a max of 25 bonus end. So the level 50 scrapper w/o accolades or IOs would have 125 total end.

Shoot, what do scrappers have left to take away. Everything they had has been copied to all the other melee ATs.

First off, I have grown to trust the current powers team. Synapse is by far my favorite dev. If he says he is going to look at it, I would expect something good to come from it. I like him as a dev, and from the interactions I have had with him in game and in PMs he seems like a great person. I know after so long it is hard to have faith, but they did buff regen, and they removed the fear component from burn. They are doing their best to earn our faith.

I would say Wolverine is a brute, or was in the early days. Captain America is a good example of a scrapper if you need one, or spider man. I assumed you wanted to stay in marvel.

In a way they did. The idea of fury originated on the tanker boards, and was even said by Geko (who I am sure we all remember and love /sarcasm) to be a good idea. Then all of a sudden it turned up on the Brute. So I can see where he coming from.

I also think we have moved past saying scrapers need a buff, and more towards scrappers need/want something unique to them. I have been very vocal about what I feel the best path is and why.

If one person sees something then it may be an issue their perception. If multiple people see something, then there may actually be something there. I am not the only person saying scrappers should have something uniquely theirs. I am just the most vocal. I am sick, school is on hold because of it, and I am not physically able to do much. Expect me to be more and more vocal about this issue (and costumes) every chance I get.

I also apologize in advance as the radiation kicks in, I may be more of a jerk than normal.

Now you are just asking for too much. (j/k)

It is annoying that some people want the male bulge removed. Not a new thing though. I heard they had to CG Brandon Ruth's package down in the Superman movie.

It may also seem that way to me because it seems (mater of perception) that they take longer to have a good attack chain, or enough attacks to suit me. Someone with more experience on tanks would have to chime in on leveling while solo.

Depending on the server though, 1-20 on a DFB with an XP boost is trivial.

You wound me!

For this may the cat barf on your couch again!

To be to be fair to Johnny, and because you always give good answers, where do Brutes fit in the balance scheme of things. They do seem to stomp all over Tanks (and scrappers) to a degree.

I would rather see the Tank brought up than the Brute nerfed, but the situation does seem to be a bit unbalanced.

What I really hope comes from this thread is that the Devs see that we the players see some problems within the melee ATs. The brutes OP, the Tanks need of a buff, and the Scrapper's lack of uniqueness. Really stalkers are perfect to me at this point. Scrappers are not broken, just something unique would be nice.

Works for me, makes me think of Superman fighting Darkseid at the end of JLA season one I think it was.

I think I will still stick by my suggested buff for scrappers in a growing end total increase. I still feel like it would have the least impact on game balance, and give scrappers something uniquely theirs.

But that is the very definition of Fury. I am curious as how you define fury if it is not anger or frustration. As you said, not a challenge, just really curious.

Dude, you just can't seem to get it. You think we are all against what you are saying about tanks, but we aren't really. The mechanic that Brutes use for furry was taken right off the tanker boards. I don't have an issue with tanks doing more damage than they do now, but even you have to admit that having a character with more HPs, Higher DR cap, AND higher damage than any other character would be broken. Tankers need a buff, no arguing that. The last buff they got didn't do enough to put them even with or above brutes. Again man, it is not what you are saying, but how you say it. You want what I have been accused of wanting for scrappers (which I have made clear was not true) you want them to be the best AT. If that is not what you want, than I and most of the other posters are really reading something wrong.

Wade stole Statesman's power because he was an incarnate, the strongest incarnate.


Sam, that is how the devs have described the scrapper ATs in the past. It also fits with the games description of scrappers the best as I read it.

Love the question!

In my mind Scrappers are like Batman, Bruce Lee, Iron Fist, Night Wing, or a host of other characters/people who are that good because they train that hard. The fighter that wins is the one who is in better condition than the other. Scrappers represent that conditioning to me.

Brutes are like the Hulk, they get mad they hit harder.

Stalkers are assassins that strike from the darkness and never really need the conditioning for a sustained fight, after all the target is dead. Cassidy Cane Bat Girl is what stalkers are like now. She is awesome in a fight, but she is not Batman or Nightwing.

Tanks really are like Superman, not because the hit hard, but because it doesn't matter how hard you hit them.

Scrappers are those who fight the way they do because of training and dedication. They are the College Wrestle who runs an extra 10 miles a day. They are the martial artist who stays for the extra sparing sessions. They are the energizer bunnies of the ATs. They just keep going and going and going. Spiderman is still going long after the Hulk is breathing hard, Batman has the physical and mental fortitude to never stop.

It also fits with how people say they like to play them. It fits for them over the other melee ATs precisely because the don't need it.

Also, of my 4 kids, 3 are girls. I love the Power Puff girls! To me though, scrappers are more like Kick Buttowski. Also I choose to use characters from Marvel and DC for refrence on purpose. I stepped outside of comics because I know you are not a big comic fan.

Also Ken and Ryu were perfect copies of one another in SF1, in the following versions Ryu had a better Fire Ball, and Ken had the better Dragon Uppercut. Either way it would be hard to argue against the majority of the SF characters being anything other than scrappers. Perhaps Honda and Zangif could be Tanks or Brutes.

Sam, I hope that answered your question. If not I can go on.

Is what it is. Stalkers were not even on the radar, and blasters offered safer damage because they could do it from range. Note earlier where I exceeded the ranged soft cap on my one and only blaster. With that said, Triumph can be a weird place at times, which is why I moved to the much more normal and sane Virtue.

Let me again petition for a way for scrapes to be able to increase their max end. Shoot, get rid of conserve power, and give scrappers the more reliable Superior Conditioning in their EPP.

Out side of this argument. I would like to show that I am sane by stating that I think Scrappers have a snow ball's chance in hell of getting any kind of buff. As many have said, they just work. I would still like to see them get something that is their own, but I don't think it is likely to happen. As many say "Don't fix what's not broken" I get that, I really do. However I also love Scrappers and would love to see them get something unique.

As this point I would be satisfied if some of the more requested sets were proliferated to scrappers. I am pretty sure that will have to satisfy me, because it is the best I am likely to get.

I still say that a scaling end total buff would be cool, and not game breaking. At most it would allow scrappers to maybe change up their slotting, or not pick a power.

I also read the first few, and they still had a bit more than what I would like. The last one I tried to pick up Narcissus in Chains I believe was so bad I couldn't finish it. I have seen less raunchy actual erotica.

Again, Briggs is great about conveying love w/o the need for really graphic sex.

I have these on the shelf upstairs waiting their turn.

I have never been so glad in my life that players have so little control over the game. I have been told for years (by very good friends) that letting a scrapper on a Master run of anything was a pity spot, and I was the only person they would do it for. They never said that about tanks or brutes.

Tanks have a role, it is just not the role you like.

Also I agree, Brutes are still OP. their resistance cap should have been lowered to 85% when the fury chances were made. I say that with all but 3 of my 15 lvl 50 toons being scrappers and brutes.

I get all of this. I don't want them to be better, but I do want them to have something that is their own that they don't have to share.

Out of all of what you named it still seems like a buff to their end total would have the least imbalance in the game.

IIRC Inventions were i8, and the RWZ update with pylons was in i11.

Honestly, I am having a bad week and you may not have been as snarky as it seemed to me.